Colonels_Wear_Blue Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 CBS News put together a list of the 60 deadliest cities in the United States. The stats don't look good for the Derby City or the Queen City. I was surprised to see them so close per capita to Chicago. And as much as the news makes Chicago out to be nothing but a virtual gangland, it's only about a third of the murder the rate per capita that St. Louis is! Top 20: 20 - Atlanta, GA 16.7 murders per 100,000 residents 19 - Washington DC 17.0 murders per 100,000 residents 18 - Oakland, CA 17.1 murders per 100,000 residents 17 - Louisville, KY 17.5 murders per 100,000 residents 16 - Indianapolis, IN 17.7 murders per 100,000 residents 15 - Pittsburgh, PA 18.4 murders per 100,000 residents 14 - Tulsa, OK 18.6 murders per 100,000 residents 13 - Milwaukee, WI 20 murders per 100,000 residents 12 - Philadelphia, PA 20.0 murders per 100,000 residents 11 - Cincinnati, OH 23.8 murders per 100,000 residents 10 - Chicago, IL 24.0 murders per 100,000 residents 9 - Newark, NJ 25.6 murders per 100,000 residents 8 - Memphis, TN 27.1 murders per 100,000 residents 7 - Kansas City, MO 31.2 murders per 100,000 residents 6 - Las Vegas, NV 31.4 murders per 100,000 residents 5 - Cleveland, OH 33.7 murders per 100,000 residents 4 - Detroit, MI 39.7 murders per 100,000 residents 3 - New Orleans, LA 40.6 murders per 100,000 residents 2 - Baltimore, MD 51.1 murders per 100,000 residents 1 - St. Louis, MO 64.9 murders per 100,000 residents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getslow Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 If you look at those statistics even closer, they're massively centered in a few neighborhoods in each of those cities. I would bet that I could name three neighborhoods in Louisville and Cincinnati and hit on the location of 95% of these homicides. Those neighborhoods are exactly what you'd imagine. Low-income, heavy on renters instead of owners, devoid of the things that keep neighborhoods together like small businesses, grocery stores, and civic institutions of residents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweet16 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I read an article the other day that listed these three as the most dangerous: 1. Detroit 2. St. Louis 3. Memphis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonels_Wear_Blue Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 I read an article the other day that listed these three as the most dangerous: 1. Detroit 2. St. Louis 3. Memphis If I'm not mistaken, "most dangerous" figures usually incorporate violent crimes into the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeuce Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 If you look at those statistics even closer, they're massively centered in a few neighborhoods in each of those cities. I would bet that I could name three neighborhoods in Louisville and Cincinnati and hit on the location of 95% of these homicides. Those neighborhoods are exactly what you'd imagine. Low-income, heavy on renters instead of owners, devoid of the things that keep neighborhoods together like small businesses, grocery stores, and civic institutions of residents. Yep. Beecher Terrace, California Park, Russel or Newburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Surprises on the list? Here are some that surprised me. 1. Chicago being #10. I would have guessed top 2 or 3. 2. New York City is not on the list. 3. Los Angeles is not on the list either. 4. Las Vegas at #6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeuce Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Surprises on the list? Here are some that surprised me. 1. Chicago being #10. I would have guessed top 2 or 3. 2. New York City is not on the list. 3. Los Angeles is not on the list either. 4. Las Vegas at #6. They are on the list in the link, just farther down. But I agree, much lower than I expected them to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 They are on the list in the link, just farther down. But I agree, much lower than I expected them to be. I was just looking at the top 20 in the OP. I expected those to be in the top 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Anthony Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Any similarities in those cities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugatti Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I read an article the other day that listed these three as the most dangerous: 1. Detroit 2. St. Louis 3. Memphis For as long as I can remember these cities have been in the running for the top spot of this infamous designation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getslow Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I wonder what the population cutoff was for this. I ask because during the year this data is for, 2017, Evansville, IN saw a record 20 homicides. It dropped back to 11 or 12 last year, but 20 homicides was enough that Evansville would be No. 20 on this list, at 16.8 per 100,000 residents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonels_Wear_Blue Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 Surprises on the list? Here are some that surprised me. 1. Chicago being #10. I would have guessed top 2 or 3. 2. New York City is not on the list. 3. Los Angeles is not on the list either. 4. Las Vegas at #6. The Vegas figure included the numbers from the 2017 Mandalay Bay shooting during the Jason Aldrean concert. All of the figures from the CBS list were based on most recently compiled totals, which are usually a year or two behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getslow Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 The Vegas figure included the numbers from the 2017 Mandalay Bay shooting during the Jason Aldrean concert. All of the figures from the CBS list were based on most recently compiled totals, which are usually a year or two behind. Yeah single-year numbers in something like this aren't particularly helpful. It can really skew things. For example, there was a murder-suicide in Warsaw, KY last year. That single homicide would make Warsaw's homicide rate approximately 59.2 per 100,000, which would be No. 2 on this list, but that's not particularly helpful, both because there are only about 1,600-1,700 people in Warsaw and because in most years there are no murders in Warsaw at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Double Deuce Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Is this study using city limits for population purposes, or market? Cincinnati's city limits have 301,000, but it is a very small area around downtown, which also is where the largest concentration of murders occur (the neighborhoods alluded to by GetSlow). If you took the entire area, 2.1 million people, your number of murders wouldn't go up all that much from the 70 or so they used for their study, but the divisor would change greatly. Stuff like this can be very misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gchs_uk9 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Any similarities in those cities? Massive flight of residential wealth away from the cities over the last 40 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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