You lost me on some of the days worked comparison. Private sector is 260, with 4 weeks vacation it’s 240. Add more in 6 holidays and it’s 234.

 

not sure what you mean by 5-6 weeks difference part.

 

Is the 185 days for teachers actual in class time or does that include spring break, Christmas break, fall break?

 

 

yep my bad 5 year old in my lap makes the numbers lower daily

Right.

 

Difference being most other jobs aren’t being told to suck it up because they get their summers off and work 5 1/2 hours a day.

 

I don’t think teachers are out trying to say “look, my job is harder than yours.”

 

In my case it’s more like I don’t think you understand exactly what’s up.

 

Mainly because most the private sector had their pensions taken away over the last 20 years. Again no different.

Mainly because most the private sector had their pensions taken away over the last 20 years. Again no different.

 

They happy about that?

 

Why would a sector accept the same injustice?

They happy about that?

 

Why would a sector accept the same injustice?

 

The private sector employees pay for those pensions. Why should we pay for a benefit we don't recieve ? Injustice is a crazy word I would use reality of the modern times. Again no one took away pensions from current teachers which is better than private sector received, we are talking future teachers.

The 50k average is very misleading. What a teacher makes in a county/district is public record. The pay is determined 1) by rank 2) by experience. What a teacher makes in Jefferson County compared to rural counties is very different. There are some very well paid districts but they are not the norm. Most teachers will start out 30k straight out of college as rank 3.

 

The 5 1/2 hours work day is also incorrect. They do not count lunch or planning in that time frame. As stated before many districts require teachers to be there 30 min before and 30 min after. That time of course is not factored in. Districts often reserve the right to require teachers to work or attend a number of other functions. These of course are not included in the 5 1/2 hours being thrown around. When figures are shown of how much a teacher makes per hour though it is often shown figured off of a 5 1/2 work time. This of course skews the per hour wage.

 

I have no idea how different places handle maternity leave. I know in most school districts if you have worked less than 5 years or so a parent won’t have nearly amount of time needed for matery leave.

 

Teacher aren’t asking for a raise. A majority of what they are asking for are things schools need. They are asking for services to be funded and for schools to be funded in a way to succeed. Heck they aren’t even asking really for increase in funding. They are just asking it doesn’t get cut. They are asking for things for the students. Yet people are acting as if they are being selfish and asking for things for themselves.

 

Yes the pension is one point they are fighting about. They paid in. They had no choice to pay in. Now they are basically being told get over it. A number of people mention that it has been happening in the private sector for years. Just because it has happened in the private sector does it make it right? Were those people happy about? Did those people not take action or voice their displeasure with the events?

Our teachers are required to be here no later than 7:45 and must stay until 3:15 - 7.5 hours. Most are here by at least 7:30 and stay until 3:30, although there are always exceptions.

 

Those numbers are probably similar for most schools around the state, with some wiggle room. Just an FYI.

 

To summarize, your teachers are required to be in the building for 7.5 hours a day and that includes their lunch so your teachers log 7 hours a day working at school. However, at your school, most teachers are there slightly longer than required.

 

Wow. It means I get my 25 minute lunch break where I usually eat in 15 minutes so I can get work done before I have students again. Plus we are required by contract to be at school 25 minutes before the first bell and 25 minutes after school is out. Most are at school well before and after those times, plus all of the days beyond the school requirements to disassemble their classrooms so they can be cleaned over the summer and then the days to reassemble and prepare for school to begin. We don't just leave the last day of school and when we come back on the first day in the fall our rooms, lessons, etc magically are ready. I work way more as a teacher than I did as a data analyst and project director in market research for 11 years. However, the work is much more satisfying!

 

The 50k average is very misleading. What a teacher makes in a county/district is public record. The pay is determined 1) by rank 2) by experience. What a teacher makes in Jefferson County compared to rural counties is very different. There are some very well paid districts but they are not the norm. Most teachers will start out 30k straight out of college as rank 3.

 

The 5 1/2 hours work day is also incorrect. They do not count lunch or planning in that time frame. As stated before many districts require teachers to be there 30 min before and 30 min after. That time of course is not factored in. Districts often reserve the right to require teachers to work or attend a number of other functions. These of course are not included in the 5 1/2 hours being thrown around. When figures are shown of how much a teacher makes per hour though it is often shown figured off of a 5 1/2 work time. This of course skews the per hour wage.

 

I have no idea how different places handle maternity leave. I know in most school districts if you have worked less than 5 years or so a parent won’t have nearly amount of time needed for matery leave.

 

Teacher aren’t asking for a raise. A majority of what they are asking for are things schools need. They are asking for services to be funded and for schools to be funded in a way to succeed. Heck they aren’t even asking really for increase in funding. They are just asking it doesn’t get cut. They are asking for things for the students. Yet people are acting as if they are being selfish and asking for things for themselves.

 

Yes the pension is one point they are fighting about. They paid in. They had no choice to pay in. Now they are basically being told get over it. A number of people mention that it has been happening in the private sector for years. Just because it has happened in the private sector does it make it right? Were those people happy about? Did those people not take action or voice their displeasure with the events?

 

We clarified the 5 1/2 hours to be closer to 7 in this thread, at least in one school district. Here it is again:

 

To summarize, your teachers are required to be in the building for 7.5 hours a day and that includes their lunch so your teachers log 7 hours a day working at school. However, at your school, most teachers are there slightly longer than required.

The private sector employees pay for those pensions. Why should we pay for a benefit we don't recieve ? Injustice is a crazy word I would use reality of the modern times. Again no one took away pensions from current teachers which is better than private sector received, we are talking future teachers.

 

So do the teachers.

Surely you realize teachers have been offered secure retirement rather than appropriate pay.

 

Good luck maintaining future teachers with fewer benefits and higher expectations.

So do the teachers.

Surely you realize teachers have been offered secure retirement rather than appropriate pay.

 

Good luck maintaining future teachers with fewer benefits and higher expectations.

 

Your first statement is a fallacy. Maybe 10 years from now it will be true if no one is teaching. But when it comes to work you are worth what someone is willing to pay you.

 

Who decides appropiate pay? Tell me the jobs that are highly payed where you are not expected to generate revenue or profits. Teachers and every job have their pressures. But creating profit is different from teaching. That is what is lost in this entire discusion. When your career is service you will not generate the income of for profit jobs.

The 50k average is very misleading. What a teacher makes in a county/district is public record. The pay is determined 1) by rank 2) by experience. What a teacher makes in Jefferson County compared to rural counties is very different. There are some very well paid districts but they are not the norm. Most teachers will start out 30k straight out of college as rank 3.

 

The 5 1/2 hours work day is also incorrect. They do not count lunch or planning in that time frame. As stated before many districts require teachers to be there 30 min before and 30 min after. That time of course is not factored in. Districts often reserve the right to require teachers to work or attend a number of other functions. These of course are not included in the 5 1/2 hours being thrown around. When figures are shown of how much a teacher makes per hour though it is often shown figured off of a 5 1/2 work time. This of course skews the per hour wage.

 

I have no idea how different places handle maternity leave. I know in most school districts if you have worked less than 5 years or so a parent won’t have nearly amount of time needed for matery leave.

 

Teacher aren’t asking for a raise. A majority of what they are asking for are things schools need. They are asking for services to be funded and for schools to be funded in a way to succeed. Heck they aren’t even asking really for increase in funding. They are just asking it doesn’t get cut. They are asking for things for the students. Yet people are acting as if they are being selfish and asking for things for themselves.

 

Yes the pension is one point they are fighting about. They paid in. They had no choice to pay in. Now they are basically being told get over it. A number of people mention that it has been happening in the private sector for years. Just because it has happened in the private sector does it make it right? Were those people happy about? Did those people not take action or voice their displeasure with the events?

 

Again no one asked any teachers nor did the bill ask them to give up what they paid into, this is about future teachers.

Your first statement is a fallacy. Maybe 10 years from now it will be true if no one is teaching. But when it comes to work you are worth what someone is willing to pay you.

 

Who decides appropiate pay? Tell me the jobs that are highly payed where you are not expected to generate revenue or profits. Teachers and every job have their pressures. But creating profit is different from teaching. That is what is lost in this entire discusion. When your career is service you will not generate the income of for profit jobs.

 

No fallacy. I am boots on the ground. What has happened the past month in education does nothing to encourage prospective students to enter the profession, and we already have a growing shortage in KY.

We clarified the 5 1/2 hours to be closer to 7 in this thread, at least in one school district. Here it is again:

 

To summarize, your teachers are required to be in the building for 7.5 hours a day and that includes their lunch so your teachers log 7 hours a day working at school. However, at your school, most teachers are there slightly longer than required.

It was stated more to clarify that the hourly rate of a teacher is presented off of 5 1/2 hour work day. So when a district shows or statistics show a teacher makes 40.00 an hour as an example that number is inflated/skewed.

Again no one asked any teachers nor did the bill ask them to give up what they paid into, this is about future teachers.

Again teachers aren’t just protesting about pension. As my posted stated and I said a number of times in the other thread that was closed. The protesting is also very much about funding schools and programs that assist schools.

Here's my thing with this.

 

I have very little sympathy when teacher's complain about pay. Not all careers are created equal. My career, an accountant, doesn't pay the same as a pharmacist. A pharmacist doesn't pay as well as a Doctor. These are all things everyone is, or should be, aware of when they decide to go into their chosen field. So teachers put in as many hours as most other careers. Cool.

 

As far as retirement benefits go, my retirement plan has changed multiple times since I joined the workforce. My current employer got rid of their company match a few years ago. It happens. If you are smart about saving and planning, you shouldn't be counting on employer sponsored plans for your retirement anyways.

The teachers in KY are not asking for a raise. They will talk about how salary figures are not accurate or misleading but they have not been going to Frankfort asking for a raise.

 

I understand the comparison that people make when referencing their company match and such. If I’m not mistaken though taking part in a program where your company matches is voluntary. Contributing to KTRS is not voluntary. You are not given a choice. Some states allow you to opt out. Kentucky does not allow this option. You are forced to pay in your part as a teacher.

Contributing to KTRS is not voluntary. You are not given a choice. Some states allow you to opt out. Kentucky does not allow this option. You are forced to pay in your part as a teacher.

 

I'm aware and understand all that. Doesn't change that relying solely on employer sponsored/funded retirement accounts is not a good idea.