New Era conspiracy....:thumb:

 

If you notice in the bigs a lot of pitchers, pull there cap bills down on their forehead and its just my opinion but several do, to hide any discoloration or substance, that may be on the bill.

 

Has anyone ever noticed, a pitcher who has a cap that is sweat stained....you can apply a detergent to these stains, to create a "goo" which will make the ball move. You probably have also seen bills, that appear to be soaking wet and its because they are, as a result of pitchers soaking it in water, thus when they adjust their cap the moisture goes straight to the baseball.

 

Watch Weaver pitch in his next start and see how far he pulls his cap down.....not accusing him of anything but just look at.

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I know wat it was!!! Could it have been some of that "super cream/gel" that he got from Balco Barry????:sssh: :sssh: :sssh: :confused:

Definitely pine tar - anyone who knows anything about baseball knows by the color of the stuff. It was either that or honey, and Winnie the Pooh was nowhere to be found.

If LaRussa had known during the inning he could have asked the plate umpire (and perhaps the crew chief also) to inspect the baseball (best done after Rogers threw a looping curveball.) Then inspect Rogers hand, glove, whatever. Lots of pitchers tinker with foreign substances when they lose a few MPHs on their pitches.

On a side note, the Tigers have polar opposites on their team in Rogers and Sean Casey. One of them is a very pleasant person.

I know one thing will come out of this. All pitchers will be watched and inspected prior to pitching.

I think LaRussa isn't making a big deal about it because he doesn't want the spotlight on his own pitchers. It's common knowledge in the clubhouse that pitchers use everything they can to gain an advantage,

:thumb: :thumb: That is a very good point scribe.

On a side note, the Tigers have polar opposites on their team in Rogers and Sean Casey. One of them is a very pleasant person.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: and I hope that everyone knows the difference.

Some former baseball guy said today that it was definitely pine tar. He said that there was other stuff that pitchers could use, like lotions, but they didn't work very well in cold weather. So I interpreted that as most pitchers cheat whenever possible, so I'm not going to comdem Rogers so quickly.

He also said pine tar was perfect in cold temps, and the pitcher could grip the ball tighter and work his best pitches a lot better. I guess Rogers was just being status quo.

Not even Kenny Rogers could pitch with a clump of dirt stuck to his throwing hand. It was PT, no question. I saw it maybe two or three pitches before Tim McCarver called him out on it. He was blowing into his hand and the camera was doing a closeup. I recognized it immediately but didn't realize it was illegal until the broadcasters started commenting on it.

I am not a pine tar expert so could someone explain how much it would effect a pitcher please?

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_26_229/ai_n14702169

I am not a pine tar expert so could someone explain how much it would effect a pitcher please?

 

 

Pine Tar is the stickiest stuff on the planet. It isn't a spitball substance, but more of a grip substance.

I am not a pine tar expert so could someone explain how much it would effect a pitcher please?

See post #15, in this thread.

After reading and listening to all the reports, I've lost a lot of respect for MLB. IMO, there's no question it was pine tar, and almost everyone else outside of the Tigers organization is saying the same. This offense comes with immediate ejection and 10 game suspension. Batters with pine tar too high on the bat and corked bats are ejected, why not pitchers who cheat? All the comments I have heard is that it's no big deal, and it's a very common thing. So, is MLB saying that cheating is OK? :irked:

After reading and listening to all the reports, I've lost a lot of respect for MLB. IMO, there's no question it was pine tar, and almost everyone else outside of the Tigers organization is saying the same. This offense comes with immediate ejection and 10 game suspension. Batters with pine tar too high on the bat and corked bats are ejected, why not pitchers who cheat? All the comments I have heard is that it's no big deal, and it's a very common thing. So, is MLB saying that cheating is OK? :irked:

I'm certainly of the opinion, its not okay but the problem in this instance, is if was first noticed via TV and LaRussa, waited between innings to bring it to the attention of the Umpire.

 

If during the inning, play would have been stopped and the Umpires inspected Rogers hand, found the substance and determined it not to be dirt, but rather a foreign substance....he would have been ejected and suspended for 10 games.

 

Rogers is not angel and his antics on the field and temper outbursts, do not make me like him the person....as a Pitcher, he has performed amazingly in the Playoffs. I believe it was pinetar, he is in the wrong but was not inspected by the Umpiring crew.