September 28, 200619 yr ....This just in -- Pujols is good. Very good research and excellent info....:thumb: I know you had tongue in cheek, when comparing Dunn and Pujols..... I'm a big Reds fan.....Maybe I was just really frustrated after his o-fer, three strikeout and five left on base performance last night.We all get frustrated and want them all to succeed....:thumb:
September 28, 200619 yr Very good research and excellent info....:thumb: I know you had tongue in cheek, when comparing Dunn and Pujols..... Where did I compare them? Pujols is 5x the player -- no argument here. However, the combined stats over the last 3 years are what they are; the comparison is what it is. :bunny: From a quantatative standpoint, their last 3 years are much closer than most would have guessed at first blush; or at least where they rank in each category is fairly close. Dunn is Top 2, 3, or 5 in each category over the last 3 years. Like him or not, that is pretty impressive.
September 28, 200619 yr I'm a big Reds fan. I grew up with the Big Red Machine. His strikeouts are getting worst not better. He is not in my opinion a clutch player. Of his home runs how many are solo shots. He's 6'6 & 270. He ought to be a beast. Over time I think Austin Kearns will prove to be a better hitter for average. Will be better in the clutch. Will average more RBI'S. Plus a potential multi year gold glover. Maybe I was just really frustrated after his o-fer, three strikeout and five left on base performance last night. Kearns had a chance with the bases loaded to win the game for the Nationals last night and popped up. I like Kearns too just a fact. Were Dunn's numbers better with Kearns or without? Maybe he is lonely?
September 28, 200619 yr Where did I compare them? Pujols is 5x the player -- no argument here. However, the combined stats over the last 3 years are what they are; the comparison is what it is. :bunny: From a quantatative standpoint, their last 3 years are much closer than most would have guessed at first blush; or at least where they rank in each category is fairly close. Dunn is Top 2, 3, or 5 in each category over the last 3 years. Like him or not, that is pretty impressive. Therein lies the rub for me, as I said in another thread, the fact that Dunn is soooo close to being stellar is why I personally get frustrated with him. You can't teach the things he can do, plain and simple. And the fact that his SO totals have remained so high is probably why some have the perception he's lazy. Frankly, only he could answer the question of whether he works hard enough on his game.
September 28, 200619 yr Will be better in the clutch. Will average more RBI'S. Plus a potential multi year gold glover. Say no more...
September 28, 200619 yr Over time I think Austin Kearns will prove to be a better hitter for average. Will be better in the clutch. Will average more RBI'S. Plus a potential multi year gold glover. If Kearns averages more RBI per season for his career than Dunn I'll legally change my name to Austin. Comparing their first 5 years leaves you with an uphill battle in this argument, and if you come back with "well, AK's been hurt," I'll remind you that is likely to continue for the next 5 years. Kearns will hit for a higher average, slug less, get on-base less, drive in fewer runs, score fewer runs, hit 1/2 the home runs, and hit for a higher average. You don't want to hang your hat on a Kearns v. Dunn comparison. :bunny:
September 28, 200619 yr If Kearns averages more RBI per season for his career than Dunn I'll legally change my name to Austin. Comparing their first 5 years leaves you with an uphill battle in this argument, and if you come back with "well, AK's been hurt," I'll remind you that is likely to continue for the next 5 years. Kearns will hit for a higher average, slug less, get on-base less, drive in fewer runs, score fewer runs, hit 1/2 the home runs, and hit for a higher average. You don't want to hang your hat on a Kearns v. Dunn comparison. :bunny: Austin.s.sportsrbest ?????????????:creepy:
September 28, 200619 yr Austin.s.sportsrbest ?????????????:creepy: Yeah, that would be it and that won't happen.
September 28, 200619 yr I think Dunn is a good guy and really like him. I have heard him interviewed several time and he truly is enjoyable to listen too. With that being said he has to put the ball in play more often. If the Reds could get Webb for him they would have to do it.
September 29, 200619 yr Where did I compare them? Pujols is 5x the player -- no argument here. However, the combined stats over the last 3 years are what they are; the comparison is what it is. :bunny: From a quantitative standpoint, their last 3 years are much closer than most would have guessed at first blush; or at least where they rank in each category is fairly close. Dunn is Top 2, 3, or 5 in each category over the last 3 years. Like him or not, that is pretty impressive.I'm on your side, regarding Dunn. I was eluding to your Pols comment, about him being good and subliminal suggestion, that since Dunn is so close to Pujols and Pujols is good, therefore Dunn must be. I know you're a little worked up on this thread but I'm with you, my friend....although Pujols is the man.
September 29, 200619 yr If Kearns averages more RBI per season for his career than Dunn I'll legally change my name to Austin. Comparing their first 5 years leaves you with an uphill battle in this argument, and if you come back with "well, AK's been hurt," I'll remind you that is likely to continue for the next 5 years. Kearns will hit for a higher average, slug less, get on-base less, drive in fewer runs, score fewer runs, hit 1/2 the home runs, and hit for a higher average. You don't want to hang your hat on a Kearns v. Dunn comparison. :bunny: Ok maybe saying he will average more RBI's for their career is a reach. I know this isn't a stat that will be easy to follow, but I would say it's not all that far fetched to think that Kearns could average more RBI's per 162 games over the next eight years. If that makes any sense. I think Kearns will continue to improve during his career as he continues to stay healthy. I've said this before but Dunn could go in two directions. As much as it pains me to say it I think his numbers continue to decline.
September 29, 200619 yr Ok maybe saying he will average more RBI's for their career is a reach. I know this isn't a stat that will be easy to follow, but I would say it's not all that far fetched to think that Kearns could average more RBI's per 162 games over the next eight years. If that makes any sense. I think Kearns will continue to improve during his career as he continues to stay healthy. I've said this before but Dunn could go in two directions. As much as it pains me to say it I think his numbers continue to decline.You have very valid points on Kearns, that he "might" improve/develop but I believe the reason the Reds moved him, was to date he hadn't produced or reached those expectations and in today's time....the future is now.
September 29, 200619 yr You have very valid points on Kearns, that he "might" improve/develop but I believe the reason the Reds moved him, was to date he hadn't produced or reached those expectations and in today's time....the future is now. Other people believe it was b/c they didn't want to pay him and Lopez long term. Kearns is going to be a lot cheaper over the next 3-5 years than Dunn. He will never be the HR producer or OBP guy Dunn is, but Dunn will never be the hitter Kearns is. It would have been nice to have a guy who hits for a higher average in the middle of the lineup over the last two months. They've left a lot of people on base.
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