Well, anytime there is a thread that GT has posted in, that is assumed... :sssh:

I just got here...

If the Reds are serious about modeling themselves after the Twins, then they should trade him for pitching, problem is...who really wants to give up a NO.1 starter for him? The Twins are modeled on pitching, defense, and fundamentals. They have a great organization from Rookie ball on up. Fine. You don't need another outfielder to hit 40 HR's. What has the 40 HRs produced???? 92 RBIs? What you need is an outfielder that can make the routine play in left to save a few runs by taking away balls that are falling around Dunn. If that outfielder can hit .280 plus and drive in runs when the runs need to be driven in, then you've replaced Dunn. He's not a good situational hitter. He only helps the team when he hits meaningful HR's and how many has he hit that has put his team in the lead this year? HRs are nice, but what really matters is getting runs across.

And I believe he has led the Reds in the last 2 or 3 seasons in that regards. So it would seem you would be for getting rid of everyone else, too?

Not sure if it is the time to give up someone that is still developing. Not unless you get the kitchen sink for him.

Right...

Or trade him because of it for someone that you think will be more consistent. Not sure if it is the time to give up someone that is still developing. Not unless you get the kitchen sink for him.

 

If he was making strides that one thing, he's become a worse hitter each year. He's put on weight, struggled in the field....he hasn't developed, he's stagnated.

Right...

Of course, it was me posting. :thumb: :sssh:

Of course, it was me posting. :thumb: :sssh:

I need those boots sticky... :banana:

If he was making strides that one thing, he's become a worse hitter each year. He's put on weight, struggled in the field....he hasn't developed, he's stagnated.

Disagree. As the season progressed last year, he became a better and better hitter. He was a better hitter at the end of the year with RISP than he was at the beginning.

 

Hopefully, this is simply an off-year (nice off-year) in that development. Should the Mets have dumped Beltran last season when he did much of nothing for them? He has rebounded nicely.

 

I wonder if a similar argument was being made in the 60's when the discussions to trade Frank Robinson was made.

If the Reds are serious about modeling themselves after the Twins, then they should trade him for pitching, problem is...who really wants to give up a NO.1 starter for him? The Twins are modeled on pitching, defense, and fundamentals. They have a great organization from Rookie ball on up. Fine. You don't need another outfielder to hit 40 HR's. What has the 40 HRs produced???? 92 RBIs? What you need is an outfielder that can make the routine play in left to save a few runs by taking away balls that are falling around Dunn. If that outfielder can hit .280 plus and drive in runs when the runs need to be driven in, then you've replaced Dunn. He's not a good situational hitter. He only helps the team when he hits meaningful HR's and how many has he hit that has put his team in the lead this year? HRs are nice, but what really matters is getting runs across.

Can't drive them in, unless someone is consistently on.....He carried a lot of offensive burden this year and with no one to pose an offensive threat in front, of after him teams pitched to him and made him chase, instead of giving into him.

 

What has 42HR's and 92 RBI produced.....Whoooaaaa Nelly......:scared: With your own argument about Dunn, the Reds would be 20 games below .500, without his production.

I need those boots sticky... :banana:

You'll need waders when I get started. :jump:

Can't drive them in, unless someone is consistently on.....He carried a lot of offensive burden this year and with no one to pose an offensive threat in front, of after him teams pitched to him and made him chase, instead of giving into him.

 

What has 42HR's and 92 RBI produced.....Whoooaaaa Nelly......:scared: With your own argument about Dunn, the Reds would be 20 games below .500, without his production.

 

20 games below .500???? Dunn has accounted for 19 wins??? Come on man, the whole argument relates to how many times has he given the Reds the lead with either a hit or a HR? I can't find it, so until I see it, I'm going to believe that he hasn't done anything to account for 19 wins. How many flyballs has he not gotten to that the average left fielder would? How many other leftfielders have 12 errors? People have to look past the HRs, b/c apparently people have been getting on base for him to have 92 RBIs while hitting all of .233. God knows he's not hitting them in with sacrifice flies.

20 games below .500???? Dunn has accounted for 19 wins??? Come on man, the whole argument relates to how many times has he given the Reds the lead with either a hit or a HR? I can't find it, so until I see it, I'm going to believe that he hasn't done anything to account for 19 wins. How many flyballs has he not gotten to that the average left fielder would? How many other leftfielders have 12 errors? People have to look past the HRs, b/c apparently people have been getting on base for him to have 92 RBIs while hitting all of .233. God knows he's not hitting them in with sacrifice flies.

The last time I watched a Baseball game, it takes 9 players to win and Dunn, is one that can help you win.....Now, is he a 5-Tool player....No

 

Let's agree you don't seem to like his ability, while I feel he's the best option the Reds have on the team for the '06 season. His 90+ runs scored, 42HR's and 92 RBI....helped them win games and if you watched many of them this year, perhaps that would have been evident, to how valuable he was too this team being near .500, along with his 120+ BB's and his .490+ OBP.

 

The Reds struggled this year, along with most of the NL teams.

20 games below .500???? Dunn has accounted for 19 wins??? Come on man, the whole argument relates to how many times has he given the Reds the lead with either a hit or a HR? I can't find it, so until I see it, I'm going to believe that he hasn't done anything to account for 19 wins. How many flyballs has he not gotten to that the average left fielder would? How many other leftfielders have 12 errors? People have to look past the HRs, b/c apparently people have been getting on base for him to have 92 RBIs while hitting all of .233. God knows he's not hitting them in with sacrifice flies.

So the Reds up 1-0 and he hits a 3-run homer to put them up 4-0 in a game that they eventually win 4-3 would not count in your view??

 

Look at the 100 runs he has scored consistently for 3 seasons. (I believe that is the length of time) Has any other Red came CLOSE to driving in as many runs as he has his last 3 seasons? NO.

 

HSSB would be so pleased with me.

What good is 40+ HR's if you hit only 2 when your team needs you the most??? The whole point is to make the playoffs. They had a chance and Dunn choked along with the bullpen.

You also going to run off the CF who took the pennant race off because his toe was sore? How about him, is he okay in your book?

Mexitucky, you are as anti-Dunn apparently as I am pro-Dunn. The bottom line is this: you win games by scoring more runs than your opponents, period. The pitching is what is, but Dunn has continued to drive in more and score more runs than anyone else on that team...period. You don't like his inconsistency? Me neither. You want to give up on him at 26? Crazy, IMHO.

So the Reds up 1-0 and he hits a 3-run homer to put them up 4-0 in a game that they eventually win 4-3 would not count in your view??

 

Look at the 100 runs he has scored consistently for 3 seasons. (I believe that is the length of time) Has any other Red came CLOSE to driving in as many runs as he has his last 3 seasons? NO.

 

HSSB would be so pleased with me.

 

Fine, let's extend the parameters. How many homeruns did he hit, or how many hits in general did he get, to give the Reds the lead, or to extend their lead when leading by less than 3? Would you consider that a fair assesment of clutch hitting? He has 92 RBIs, how many of those came with the game already out of question? Those are stats that I don't know, but from the games I watched, if there were runners in scoring position with two outs, a K was coming. In response to the post about the center fielder? I'm not a huge fan of his either.