Other people believe it was b/c they didn't want to pay him and Lopez long term. Kearns is going to be a lot cheaper over the next 3-5 years than Dunn. He will never be the HR producer or OBP guy Dunn is, but Dunn will never be the hitter Kearns is. It would have been nice to have a guy who hits for a higher average in the middle of the lineup over the last two months. They've left a lot of people on base.

Not sure on Kearns, as he has a .265 career batting average, while Dunn's is .245 or so....Dunn's offensive production is better this year than Kearns to me and he does K a lot but Ryan Howard, along with many power guys do.

 

Kearns never developed like most thought or wanted, in my opinion and yes he's significantly cheaper but still, lacks the consistent power numbers that Dunn has.

 

If it's about money, Kearns is better....If it's about production, Dunn is better....If it's about opinion and speculate....time will tell but I take Dunn.

...like tagging up from first on a fly ball the other day to win a game? That kind of hustle.

 

The man is lathargic. He's a liability in the field, and at the plate. The "Two Angry Guys" gave a stat yesterday that stated Dunn had 19 total bases in September and 33 K's. He can only do one thing, hit home runs. That would be great if they were clutch home runs that put the Reds up, or at least within a run, but they don't. He is the king of the solo. For two seasons he has faced the shift, and for two years he has refused to hit to the opposite field. I don't believe Dunn is selfish, b/c you have to care to be selfish, I just think that he's going to let his natural ability take him to where it goes and he's happy with that. There's no way that a guy who walks 100+ times a year should strikeout over 150 times a season.

Not sure on Kearns, as he has a .265 career batting average, while Dunn's is .245 or so....Dunn's offensive production is better this year than Kearns to me and he does K a lot but Ryan Howard, along with many power guys do.

 

Kearns never developed like most thought or wanted, in my opinion and yes he's significantly cheaper but still, lacks the consistent power numbers that Dunn has.

 

If it's about money, Kearns is better....If it's about production, Dunn is better....If it's about opinion and speculate....time will tell but I take Dunn.

 

What is Ryan Howard's batting average? How many runs has he driven in? Strikeouts are a major sticking point with the anti-Dunnites, but that would be forgiven if he were an average fielder and drove runners in.

What is Ryan Howard's batting average? How many runs has he driven in? Strikeouts are a major sticking point with the anti-Dunnites, but that would be forgiven if he were an average fielder and drove runners in.

Dunn future to me, is either at 1st base or a DH. I think most would agree, he's not the first OF you think of relating to speed.

 

Howard's stats you mentioned:

 

103 BB's

179 K's

.305 BA

180 Hits

 

An amazing year and his future looks bright. I responded to the K's with power hitters and used Howard, as an example. Pitchers will learn his location and his K's will remain the same, while watching his BA decline over the years.

 

Dunn is on the Reds, I understand his weaknesses and his strengths....but to the original premise of this thread, the comments were on his production at GABP and not away.

 

Either fans want him or they don't....I'll take him.

Dunn future to me, is either at 1st base or a DH. I think most would agree, he's not the first OF you think of relating to speed.

 

Howard's stats you mentioned:

 

103 BB's

179 K's

.305 BA

180 Hits

 

An amazing year and his future looks bright. I responded to the K's with power hitters and used Howard, as an example. Pitchers will learn his location and his K's will remain the same, while watching his BA decline over the years.

 

Dunn is on the Reds, I understand his weaknesses and his strengths....but to the original premise of this thread, the comments were on his production at GABP and not away.

 

Either fans want him or they don't....I'll take him.

 

The latest stats for ESPN.com have Howard with a .316 avg. and Dunn at .233. However, the big stat is the fact that Howard has 146 RBI's and Dunn has 92. On top of that, when his team needed him the most, Howard became a MVP front-runner.

The latest stats for ESPN.com have Howard with a .316 avg. and Dunn at .233. However, the big stat is the fact that Howard has 146 RBI's and Dunn has 92. On top of that, when his team needed him the most, Howard became a MVP front-runner.

In my predictions in March, I said that Dunn would be in the top 10 of MVP votes. I am surprised that Dunn has not stepped his game up and carried this team for a good period of time. Taken his game to the next level.

 

I thought it would occur this year. And it did not. He is a good player but I was expecting him to go to great player.

For comparison's sake here is why I don't believe that the Reds need Dunn.

Look at his September stats:

.145 BA

34 Ks

2 HRs

5RBIs

10 runs

11 hits

.250 slugging pct.

Not to mention being lethargic in LF.

 

Howard has:

.412 BA

27 Ks

9 HRs

18 RBI's

19 Runs

35 Hits

.824 Slugging

 

What good is 40+ HR's if you hit only 2 when your team needs you the most??? The whole point is to make the playoffs. They had a chance and Dunn choked along with the bullpen.

So you want to run off our best hitter because he had a bad month in his first meaningful September. I'm glad it's not your team...

For comparison's sake here is why I don't believe that the Reds need Dunn.

Look at his September stats:

.145 BA

34 Ks

2 HRs

5RBIs

10 runs

11 hits

.250 slugging pct.

Not to mention being lethargic in LF.

 

Howard has:

.412 BA

27 Ks

9 HRs

18 RBI's

19 Runs

35 Hits

.824 Slugging

 

What good is 40+ HR's if you hit only 2 when your team needs you the most??? The whole point is to make the playoffs. They had a chance and Dunn choked along with the bullpen.

Here is the problem, are you going to trade him for another outfielder to replace his 40 HR's and 100 RBI's? Are you going to trade him for pitching? If so, who replaces his stats and the production he does give? Yes, it would be nice to have more from him but does anyone else provide what he does?

So you want to run off our best hitter because he had a bad month in his first meaningful September. I'm glad it's not your team...

I think the concern is that he goes through 2-3 of these long stretches each season where does much of nothing. No offense. No defense.

Will someone please warn me the next time I should enter a thread with my boots on...

Will someone please warn me the next time I should enter a thread with my boots on...

Well, anytime there is a thread that GT has posted in, that is assumed... :sssh:

I think the concern is that he goes through 2-3 of these long stretches each season where does much of nothing. No offense. No defense.

He's not doubt a hot and cold guy so far in his career. At some point we might just have to accept him for what he is...

Here is the problem, are you going to trade him for another outfielder to replace his 40 HR's and 100 RBI's? Are you going to trade him for pitching? If so, who replaces his stats and the production he does give? Yes, it would be nice to have more from him but does anyone else provide what he does?

 

If the Reds are serious about modeling themselves after the Twins, then they should trade him for pitching, problem is...who really wants to give up a NO.1 starter for him? The Twins are modeled on pitching, defense, and fundamentals. They have a great organization from Rookie ball on up. Fine. You don't need another outfielder to hit 40 HR's. What has the 40 HRs produced???? 92 RBIs? What you need is an outfielder that can make the routine play in left to save a few runs by taking away balls that are falling around Dunn. If that outfielder can hit .280 plus and drive in runs when the runs need to be driven in, then you've replaced Dunn. He's not a good situational hitter. He only helps the team when he hits meaningful HR's and how many has he hit that has put his team in the lead this year? HRs are nice, but what really matters is getting runs across.

He's not doubt a hot and cold guy so far in his career. At some point we might just have to accept him for what he is...

Or trade him because of it for someone that you think will be more consistent. Not sure if it is the time to give up someone that is still developing. Not unless you get the kitchen sink for him.