September 28, 200619 yr ...like tagging up from first on a fly ball the other day to win a game? That kind of hustle. Nope. I'm referring to the jogging after a ball turning a double into a triple for the opposing team.
September 28, 200619 yr I've seen this before and his name was Dave Kingman. Really? Let's see... Best home run season: Kingman -- 48 (only time over 40 in 16 year career) Dunn -- 46 (three times over 40 in 6 year career) Best rbi season: Kingman -- 118 (over 100 twice in 16 years) Dunn -- 102 (over 100 twice in 6 years) Most walks in a season: Kingman -- 62 (608 in 16 years) Dunn -- 128 (573 in 6 years) Most Runs in a season: Kingman -- 97 (only time over 90 in 16 years) Dunn -- 107 (3 times over 90 in 6 years / twice over 100) Career on-base pct: Kingman -- .302 Dunn -- .380 Career slugging pct: Kingman -- .478 Dunn -- .514 Career batting average: Kingman -- .236 Dunn -- .246 Career stolen bases: Kingman -- 85 (in 16 years / 5.3 per year) Dunn -- 48 (in 6 years / 8 per year) Career total-bases: Kingman -- 3,191 (199 per year) Dunn -- 1,448 (241 per year) Games played per year: Kingman -- 121 (1,941 in 16 years) Dunn -- 136 (817 in 6 years) Through 1st 6 years: Kingman -- 666 games / 2,218 ab's / 312 r's / 507 h's / 150 hr / 391 rbi / 200 bb Dunn -- 817 games / 2,817 ab's / 518 r's / 692 h's / 198 hr / 466 rbi / 573 bb There is no area that Dunn is not superior to Kingman, and frankly, I think the comparison is off-base. IMHO.
September 28, 200619 yr I just don't get it. A budding superstar who hits 40 homers and knocks in 100 RBI's a year. But he is doing it at GABP. If he was in New York he'd probably hit 25 homers and knock in 75. Instead of hitting .240 it would probably be .210. Last wherever he is at, he's going to strike out a third of the time. I've seen this before and his name was Dave Kingman. Shirley you don't mean NY...AL? Larue could hit 25 home runs lefthanded in Yankee stadium. Oh, and in case you're not talking about the AL NY team...you're still wrong.
September 28, 200619 yr HSSB, with all due respect, I have a hypothetical for you. If all things equal, salary, etc. and we could trade Dunn for Brandon Webb (I know that may be rediculous, but both are young and with solid #s and careers ahead) would you do it? Just curious!
September 28, 200619 yr Really? Let's see... Best home run season: Kingman -- 48 (only time over 40 in 16 year career) Dunn -- 46 (three times over 40 in 6 year career) Best rbi season: Kingman -- 118 (over 100 twice in 16 years) Dunn -- 102 (over 100 twice in 6 years) Most walks in a season: Kingman -- 62 (608 in 16 years) Dunn -- 128 (573 in 6 years) Most Runs in a season: Kingman -- 97 (only time over 90 in 16 years) Dunn -- 107 (3 times over 90 in 6 years / twice over 100) Career on-base pct: Kingman -- .302 Dunn -- .380 Career slugging pct: Kingman -- .478 Dunn -- .514 Career batting average: Kingman -- .236 Dunn -- .246 Career stolen bases: Kingman -- 85 (in 16 years / 5.3 per year) Dunn -- 48 (in 6 years / 8 per year) Career total-bases: Kingman -- 3,191 (199 per year) Dunn -- 1,448 (241 per year) Games played per year: Kingman -- 121 (1,941 in 16 years) Dunn -- 136 (817 in 6 years) Through 1st 6 years: Kingman -- 666 games / 2,218 ab's / 312 r's / 507 h's / 150 hr / 391 rbi / 200 bb Dunn -- 817 games / 2,817 ab's / 518 r's / 692 h's / 198 hr / 466 rbi / 573 bb There is no area that Dunn is not superior to Kingman, and frankly, I think the comparison is off-base. IMHO. And Da Champ has just been TKO'd....
September 28, 200619 yr HSSB, with all due respect, I have a hypothetical for you. If all things equal, salary, etc. and we could trade Dunn for Brandon Webb (I know that may be rediculous, but both are young and with solid #s and careers ahead) would you do it? Just curious! Of course. I am much more of a Dunn fan than most (shocking), but I also understand that Brandon could potentially be the difference. Of course, saying that, our already struggling offense would become on par with Harvard University -- or thereabouts.
September 28, 200619 yr Of course. I am much more of a Dunn fan than most (shocking), but I also understand that Brandon could potentially be the difference. Of course, saying that, our already struggling offense would become on par with Harvard University -- or thereabouts. That I may disagree with. If you remove Dunn from the current stretch of offensive iniquity and you may improve our offense. I know you're talking long haul, but as of late, he'd not be missed!
September 28, 200619 yr Adam Dunn is NO Dave Kingman and the stas back that up. Anyone who wants to make an arguement about Mr. Dunn needs to also include his OBP when discussing him just to be fair. I totally agree he strikes out to much.
September 28, 200619 yr That I may disagree with. If you remove Dunn from the current stretch of offensive iniquity and you may improve our offense. I know you're talking long haul, but as of late, he'd not be missed! Honestly, and in spite of your Steelers' affiliation you know I have great respect for you, but that is crazy. You take a guy out that is on the verge of his 3rd consecutive (and admittedly, he probably won't get there) 40 / 100 / 100 / 100 season in a row (and the 4th for the Reds in 36 years, Joe Morgan having the only other) and you don't think he'd be missed? That is insane. The guy you plug in LF is, on a good season, going to get you 25 / 75 / 75 / 50 -- and that is if you go out and get someone. There is quite a difference. You're using this bad stretch as the benchmark, but clearly, if you flip the card over you'll see that isn't the case. Look up how many major leaguers have more homers, runs, rbi, and walks over the last 3 seasons (including this one) and let me know how many there are? The number will be small. To say he wouldn't be missed is the most off-base thing I've seen you support Spindoc -- and again, you're one of my favorite posters (outside of the NFL of course ).
September 28, 200619 yr Honestly, and in spite of your Steelers' affiliation you know I have great respect for you, but that is crazy. You take a guy out that is on the verge of his 3rd consecutive (and admittedly, he probably won't get there) 40 / 100 / 100 / 100 season in a row (and the 4th for the Reds in 36 years, Joe Morgan having the only other) and you don't think he'd be missed? That is insane. The guy you plug in LF is, on a good season, going to get you 25 / 75 / 75 / 50 -- and that is if you go out and get someone. There is quite a difference. You're using this bad stretch as the benchmark, but clearly, if you flip the card over you'll see that isn't the case. Look up how many major leaguers have more homers, runs, rbi, and walks over the last 3 seasons (including this one) and let me know how many there are? The number will be small. To say he wouldn't be missed is the most off-base thing I've seen you support Spindoc -- and again, you're one of my favorite posters (outside of the NFL of course ). I think you took what I said the wrong way or maybe I was confusing in the way I posted it. I'm only saying that the offensive swoon wasn't helped by Dunn and him not in the lineup more than likely would go unnoticed. That's not to say the same thing throughout the season. I couldn't agree more he is the most constant offensive player FWIW for the duration of this past season and the ones prior.
September 28, 200619 yr I think you took what I said the wrong way or maybe I was confusing in the way I posted it. I'm only saying that the offensive swoon wasn't helped by Dunn and him not in the lineup more than likely would go unnoticed. That's not to say the same thing throughout the season. I couldn't agree more he is the most constant offensive player FWIW for the duration of this past season and the ones prior. :thumb: :thumb:
September 28, 200619 yr I got myself thinking (is that dangerous?), here is a breakdown of the leaders in the National League in each category over 2004, 2005, and 2006. Eye-opening, quite frankly: Home Runs: Pujols -- 134 Dunn -- 126 A. Jones -- 120 RBI: Pujols -- 373 A. Jones -- 346 M. Cabrera -- 339 A. Ramirez -- 309 Dunn -- 295 Runs: Pujols -- 378 Rollins -- 358 Dunn -- 310 Walks: Bonds -- 355 Dunn -- 333 This just in -- Pujols is good.
September 28, 200619 yr Author I'm a big Reds fan. I grew up with the Big Red Machine. His strikeouts are getting worst not better. He is not in my opinion a clutch player. Of his home runs how many are solo shots. He's 6'6 & 270. He ought to be a beast. Over time I think Austin Kearns will prove to be a better hitter for average. Will be better in the clutch. Will average more RBI'S. Plus a potential multi year gold glover. Maybe I was just really frustrated after his o-fer, three strikeout and five left on base performance last night.
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