That isn't the fault of black people. We haven't changed anything we have said or done since the Civil Rights Movement. I guess more of you guys are just actually paying attention to us now. Hell, concern for Black on Black violence is at an all time high in 2016. How is that dividing anyone?

 

Thanks, Obama.

 

It's amazing......they are finally listening to what we have been saying since 1987!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The problem is people are talking about racism instead of ignoring it.

 

Can't you people just be quiet and deal with it like you have been for years?

Obama has done more to divide this country than any President in my lifetime. We are further apart on racial lines now than we were 8 years ago. That is a truth that is undeniable.

 

Maybe he has done more to divide this country, but it is only because he is an easy focal point for racist attitudes and feelings. The only thing he has done wrong, in this area, is be black. If the division helps to see the line between caring about other people, and hating them because of skin color, then let's draw the dividing line and send some education across the divide.

Let me put it another way. Let's say my kid is black, he has been suspended for numerous fights, weed, and highly suspected to be in a gang. Or she is white, pregnant failing all her courses, suspected to be a drug user. Their parents badly want to get them out of their present school situations and have heard ABC school in the suburbs with mostly middle class white kids will take them with vouchers The President and Governor said so.

 

They will have NO CHOICE with vouchers. They will not end up there and you and I both know it, they will stay right where they are and produce another generation pretty much like them. Don't give me this union junk. It has nothing to do with it. Just an easy answer the Republican establishment wants us to believe.

 

The kids you describe are part of the problem in failing schools. Of course there would be vetting of prospective students. Otherwise, the public schools would dump their problems on to the voucher system and try to keep the better students in their failing classrooms.

Not just in this thread, but within every political thread it's so completely mind boggling, disturbing, and downright scary to see how dramatically different people think. It's the same within society, but we as a microcosm sure do present this painful reality rather vividly, don't we?

The kids you describe are part of the problem in failing schools. Of course there would be vetting of prospective students. Otherwise, the public schools would dump their problems on to the voucher system and try to keep the better students in their failing classrooms.

 

 

So it isn't parents' choice, it is a school's choice. They will cherry pick the one's that they think will conform or win a state championship. Leaving the "failing school" with less resources and the most challenging students. If you see that as fair, then you will never understand the real problem. Valuing and accepting someone because they are different and sometimes VERY DIFFERENT.

So it isn't parents' choice, it is a school's choice. They will cherry pick the one's that they think will conform or win a state championship. Leaving the "failing school" with less resources and the most challenging students. If you see that as fair, then you will never understand the real problem. Valuing and accepting someone because they are different and sometimes VERY DIFFERENT.

 

Dumping problems via the voucher system would do nothing to enhance the education of the problem kids, who likely have no interest in being in any school, or for the other students at that school. The only ones helped by this dumping, are the failed public schools who get to outsource their problems and artificially raise their test scores as a result.

Not just in this thread, but within every political thread it's so completely mind boggling, disturbing, and downright scary to see how dramatically different people think. It's the same within society, but we as a microcosm sure do present this painful reality rather vividly, don't we?

We spend so much time and energy defending our position that we don't have the strength left to brainstorm and present possible improvements. Nothing ever changes and the beat goes on!

Dumping problems via the voucher system would do nothing to enhance the education of the problem kids, who likely have no interest in being in any school, or for the other students at that school. The only ones helped by this dumping, are the failed public schools who get to outsource their problems and artificially raise their test scores as a result.

 

Again, if it isn't an opportunity for all no matter the issue, then it is elitist. Why don't you just say that is what you want? An elitist, segregated system of education, because that is what you will get with a voucher system. How is it helping Alabama and Tennessee?

 

I'll answer it for you the "failing schools" have gotten worse, the white schools got more state money, and they are more segregated by color than before vouchers.

 

They bought "the LIE".

Obama has done more to divide this country than any President in my lifetime. We are further apart on racial lines now than we were 8 years ago. That is a truth that is undeniable.

 

Obama being at fault regarding racial division is the false perception that white people uncomfortable with having a black president like to portend as the defining reason because they're looking for reasons to insinuate "See, having a black president doesn't work and has caused us problems". Racist whites intent on stressing this falsehood are in fact the problem, and have been long before we ever knew who Barack Obama was.

Obama being at fault regarding racial division is the false perception that white people uncomfortable with having a black president like to portend as the defining reason because they're looking for reasons to insinuate "See, having a black president doesn't work and has caused us problems". Racist whites intent on stressing this falsehood are in fact the problem, and have been long before we ever knew who Barack Obama was.

 

*Mic Drop*

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The Republicans will beat HRC (more than likely the candidate) if they would just get their evangelicals under control and quit making gay rights, abortion, not embracing and understanding Hispanics, women and blacks their issues. I really think gun rights are not as big an issue that most Republicans believe it is. Most Dems really won't fall on their sword for that, especially moderate Dems.

 

BUT THEY WON'T. They need to settle on a candidate real early and get behind them. BUT THEY WON'T. Then Republicans will say we need to take it 2024. The old white guard is a minority, but they are in charge of the party. There are plenty of young voters that are conservative, both minorities and women to win the election for Republicans. Especially fiscally, but cannot support the other stuff. BUT THEY WON"T do this. They said it in 2008 and 2012 as a GOP, but haven't done one thing about it. Same old platform is going to get the same old results.

 

The Dems just unite eventually and watch the GOP devour itself. Just sad really because the party's good ideas never get the attention they deserve because of the divisiveness within.

 

Just my take.

I agree basically 100% if Republicans voters would stop worrying so much about stuff like gay rights and guns in order to make the stuff that really matters a priority the republicans would win every election. The democrats are much better at rallying behind candidates and actually fighting for the important issues.

Not just in this thread, but within every political thread it's so completely mind boggling, disturbing, and downright scary to see how dramatically different people think. It's the same within society, but we as a microcosm sure do present this painful reality rather vividly, don't we?

 

Yes.

Just when I think everyone typically falls towards the moderate line when it comes to politics, the more I see aggressive stances on both sides of the line that seem to have their own biases cloud their vision of reality. It's a shame really. We needed a guy like Kasich who was unwavering in his stance for cooperation amongst the parties, and falling squarely on the moderate side of things. Kasich was the candidate we needed, but not the one we deserved.

I hate to wish time go by quickly, but these next 4 years can fly by and it won't hurt me a bit. Maybe by 2020 we will finally learn that the only way to solve this political war is to finally start cooperating.

Just when I think everyone typically falls towards the moderate line when it comes to politics, the more I see aggressive stances on both sides of the line that seem to have their own biases cloud their vision of reality. It's a shame really. We needed a guy like Kasich who was unwavering in his stance for cooperation amongst the parties, and falling squarely on the moderate side of things. Kasich was the candidate we needed, but not the one we deserved.

 

Agreed. Kasich was the Republican candidate that I could have voted for. I've never been terribly bent on being a party first kind of guy. Throughout my voting years I've always looked at the character of who was running and could care less what letter was next to their name.