You tell me Delta....give me 750 boys and you 250 and see who can come up the best team.......I am not a smart man, but I know what common sense is...

 

 

It is not the same....that is the bottom line....private schools do not have to live by the same standards as public schools...no one is downing them...just let them compete for the championships with their cohorts....and the publics will do the same...is that asking too much? Majority of the schools want this....what thrill do they get beating a rural school with 80 percent free and reduced lunch...a cow pasture for a football field and stuff like that....no one is blaming a kid for the private school experience...just allow the privates to play for it and the publics...that is the point.

 

 

The same rules that you speak of are on two different levels though.

 

There are the rules mandated by the school districts in regards to enrollment and feeder schools. Which are separate from the KHSAA rules.

 

The privates schools do not have the same enrollment restrictions as they choose not to place any on themselves (I believe the NKY privates do have districts BTW). Any school district can go to an open enrollment system and allow the families of the district to have a choice as to where they want to go to school within the public system if they so chose.

 

Now the biggest problem we run into here though is that it would further divide the urban/rural issue. The majority of the successful programs come from more urban areas. Trinity, St.x, Male, Highlands, Beechwood, CovCath, LexCath, Bowling Green to name a few. Those areas have larger populations than many to draw from. It is logical to say that they would be more likely to pull better athletes out of that number than one of the smaller counties of the 123 that we have in Kentucky. As such those larger areas COULD go to open enrollment and have some success with it. Louisville has that with their schools and Lexington could as well if they so decided.

 

I agree with LBBC that this is more of an urban/rural than a public/private.

Private schools have won, I believe, the last 5 basketball crowns and 6 of the last 7. They also have been two private schools in the championship game in 3 of the last 4 championship games, I think.

 

That is unless you don't consider girls basketball being HS basketball cause I sure do.

 

 

Thats pretty easy to expain actually. The catholic feeder schools have very good sports programs for girls. Girls sports dont get the attention they should in public schools.

Let's see UHA, Lex Catholic, New Cath, Cov Cath, Trinity, St Henry, Owens Cath, have all had pretty nice runs in the basketball circles.......in recent years......not bad for the 16 private schools in the state....whereas the publics have had more championships, the privates have had more high class teams per number of teams.

 

 

Double the numbers....triple the numbers facts are facts...guess we all agree to disagree. I think about half the private schools in the state have made it to the basketball Sweet 16 or All A in the last 10 years,,,,,,no way half the public schools have...some kinda advantage it seems..

 

 

So a disproportionate number of private schools make the Sweet 16, yet almost never win it? Darn those public schools for using their overwheliming 201 to 16 advantage on us! UNFAIR!

Delta you must not have been around many girls basketball programs to make a statement like that.

You got me......my case is not worthy.....only 75 percent of all school officals feel the same way.....keep it as it is....and all will be happy....goodnight and God Bless......both Public and Private....do what is best for kids...look yourself in mirror and tell yourself it is the right thing...if you can do that then nothing to worry about....I can...peace out:argue:

Delta you must not have been around many girls basketball programs to make a statement like that.

 

 

I answered that pretty easy a few posts above. Simply stated Catholic feeder schools put alot of emphasis on girls atheletics. The public schools systems sadly dont.

Thats pretty easy to expain actually. The catholic feeder schools have very good sports programs for girls. Girls sports dont get the attention they should in public schools.

Well that could be a huge hornet's nest to hit when you look at the LC roster last year and several of their main players spent time in the public school system playing ball at the HS level as MSers or freshmen and then transferred to LC. Unless, of course, you are including the public middle schools as a catholic feeder schools;)

 

Or when you look at the Holy Cross roster from the past years and see two girls that played HS basketball for Ludlow and then joined Holy Cross as freshmen.

The school system my daughter is enrolled in must be a abberation then. By the way, in middle school 2 years ago we beat Lexington Catholic by 30+. I kept the book for that game and kept the score sheet with the players names. Wonder how many( same players) I am going to see when these set of kids gets to High School?

that is the bottom line....private schools do not have to live by the same standards as public schools...

Right. Their standards are higher. And maybe that's been the problem all along.

Well that could be a huge hornet's nest to hit when you look at the LC roster last year and several of their main players spent time in the public school system playing ball at the HS level as MSers or freshmen and then transferred to LC. Unless, of course, you are including the public middle schools as a catholic feeder schools;)

 

Or when you look at the Holy Cross roster from the past years and see two girls that played HS basketball for Ludlow and then joined Holy Cross as freshmen.

 

Be careful LBBC when you speak :lol: one of those girls you mentioned just transfered to Boone County. Third varsity HS school she is playing for (one independent, one Catholic, one County School, just wondering who she is going to play for next year:D ), it does happen both way and you know that. BTW, I can give you names of girls who played on a Catholic grade school, who went to school with my daughter, who went to Conner High and play sports. Again it happens both ways.....

Wouldn't this discussion be better served in the "Public/Private Debates" Forum ???

 

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If numbers are so important...

 

Then please explain to me why private schools haven't been able to dominate basketball?????

Numbers and depth are much more important in football than basketball.

Numbers and depth are much more important in football than basketball.

 

 

But if we recruit only the most superior atheleles and have a numbers that are so lopsided you would think X and T would have an reserved seat at the sweet 16 right?

 

PS tell the NKY 4A how important the numbers are since they got thrashed by a couple of 3A teams and a couple of 1A teams.

You got me......my case is not worthy.....only 75 percent of all school officals feel the same way.....keep it as it is....and all will be happy....goodnight and God Bless......both Public and Private....do what is best for kids...look yourself in mirror and tell yourself it is the right thing...if you can do that then nothing to worry about....I can...peace out:argue:

All too often the overlooked component...

Just as I figured, not one sound argument reinforcing the private school position. One of the private arguments involved Division 1 athletes. Most of the public schools in the state only produce a Division 1 athlete every decade or so. Many of the public schools in the state have never produced a Division 1 athlete. There is just no comparison in the talent bases. Someone on the private side even compared this issue to the 60's civil rights movement. Please!!!! There is absolutely no comparison between the civil rights movement and a disagreement over high school sports.

 

The fact has been clearly established on the field of play, in the public opinion and among the representative public school administrators that the privates have an unfair advantage. The advantage is clear, private schools select their players from where ever they please; while the the public schools must develop their players from the feeder programs within the boundary of their school districts. This is not a self imposed position (I simply do not understand why many people keep saying this, it is not true. This is astate mandeated position and it serves the best interest of the public). There are many issues involving the welfare of the public domain and students attending schools outside their home district. Maintaining the viabilaty of public education is one of the primary concerns. The state funds students on a per head basis and with funding already low every transfer further diminishes the quality of public education. The KHSAA has clearly stated that contacting students outside of distrcit boundaries regarding athletics constitutes recruiting. Further the KHSAA has been very clear about athletic based transfers and residence requirements. In the public school world, anytime a good athlete transfers to another public school there is about a 100% probability the athlete is going to have to sit out a year and attorneys are going to be involved.

 

Do the private supporters on this board really believe that the private schools are dominating KHSAA sports because of superior coaches and program support? The coaching and support is just as strong on the public side. Public coaches are recruited and compensated based on their performance just as private coaches are. The difference is the talent base.

 

I am curious as to what percentage of private school football starters actually attended a private primary school (1st-6th). I am not talking about percentage of players on the team. Lots of kids, with no chance to actually contribute in a competitive game, suit-up. I am talking about starters. I predict there is a "STARK DIFFERENCE" in this statistic between the public and privates. As I stated earlier, any run of the mill coach should be able to consistently win if he has the ability to select his players from his oppositions talent base.

 

As for scheduling difficulties due to the small number (16) of private schools playing football, this is not a public school concern. The privates have segregated themselves socially and academically; why not athletically. I strongly contend that the Catholic Schools, in particular, could easily resolve this problem through their national affiliation. Most of the privates playing football are located in the Louisville and Covington areas (Lexington Cath is also located reasonably close to these cities). There should be no reason, the schools in question, could not join the Cincinnatti area private league, where high school football is played at its highest level. Private schools do not acknowledge public school boundaries; why should they acknowledge state boundaries? I am willing to bet that X and T would not dominate in that league. I predict X and T would endure regular losing seasons for the same reason (numbers and talent base) publics are crying foul in Kentucky. The travel complaint carries no weight with the publics. Public schools in most areas of Kentucky regularly travel an hour or more for district play.

 

Segregation is going to eventually happen due to public demand and because it is clearly needed to even the playing fields of Kentucky.