I talk to tons of people from all over the state and that view is not shared for the most part by all public school members. That's from Pike Co to Mayfield.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree Centre. I again point you to the vote by the member schools last fall. How do you explain that away?

I'm not good at math, but was it 98%?

Well, regardless of how many hold onto this idea, they couldn't be more wrong.

I dont know the exact % but I am sure a man with your high IQ can figure it out. It was a huge margin( and no I am not going to look it up for your sake). Again I think you guys think I am for the seperation, I am not. I am just telling you what people tell me when its brought up. The school I support plays both public schools and privates. No big deal. But Mutt has valid points, and I think even you can figure that out.:thumb:

Why do you feel it is wrong to have a seperate divison?

 

It is fine for NCAA, NAIA, Division II and Divison III...they play in the regular season, but compete for national titles differently. We are not talking apples to apples here. I think that is the point most public supportors would argue. Kinda like UK winning the title every year against EKU, Morehead and Cumberland.....does that make any sense?

I believe that 98% is an accurate number with regard to the percentage of people throughout the state that support segregation of public and private schools. It is very rare to meet anyone not affiliated with a private school to disagree with segregation.

 

The actual school district vote was over whelmingly in favor of segregation of public and private schools. I will look the vote total up but, I am sure it was greater than a 2/3 majority.

 

Birdsfan you keep saying the huge majority is wrong on this issue but, you do not present an argument to support your position. I have found no one, including Guru, that has been willing to explain the private position. Please enlighten me. I am open minded and listening.

What do you want us to explain?

 

There are only 16 private schools (in all classifications) that play football. Of those only 4 are large enough to be put into a "large school" classification. That means that the private school playoffs would be 2 games with the same four teams involved every year. That's not good enough. If there were 30 large private football schools I would be the first to thumb my nose at the public schools. You say that public schools would be willing to play during the regular season well I disagree. I've seen people in Jefferson County do everything they can to avoid playing Trinity. On a selfish note what would be the motivation for a school like Trinity to play at a public school and take the large crowd they always have? I can also see what I consider less then scrupulous people like Wilson Sears, Mark Swift and other proponents of separation using it as a tool to keep students in the public schools system. I see this as an attack on not just private school athletics but private schools in general.

 

Finally, you say that a majority favors segregation. It's interesting that you chose that word. In the 60's the majority opposed civil rights laws and desegregation of schools. History has shown they were wrong. While I in no way shape or form say that this issue has anywhere the significance of the civil rights movement, I use it as an illustration of a majority not only being over ruled but being completely wrong.

Ok I can see your point...How many free or reduced lunch kids are attending private schools? How many disabled children/special needs students are admitted to private schools, where the school would have to employee a teacher to meet their needs? In public schools we have to take what walks thru the door. No committee's to review your application, no way to turn away children who live in our district...our hands are tied....how many private school coaches actually teach a full load of classes?....who would be the four big schools.....Trinity, St X...Cov Cath....Desales....Owensboro Cath..Lexington Catholic....all come to mind....New Cath, Beechwood, and the like could be small school....these are the questions some have...

Both schools are essential to our society.

Both schools are needed in our society.

But they are different beasts and fill different needs.

But they are different.

And they do not participate on the same playing fields whether it is athletic or academic.

Is that a bad thing?

Not necessarily.

It is just the way it is.

If they stay together, fine, but realize that the championships that are won, are not against opponents on the same playing field.

And in a mindset that is clamoring about watered down championships, that would be not much different than they are now.

 

Or would anyone argue that 98% of the 4A schools do NOT have a realistic chance to win the state title this year?

As I said, the advantage is in the ability to maintain a superior talent base; not coaching or school interest. The public school coach develops his players through his feeder program. The private school coach selects his players from other coaches' feeder programs. It is smug, to the point of being humorous, for anyone, to pretend that this is not the truth. Any half decent coach, that has the advantage of selecting his players from the talent base of his opposition, should be able to win against coaches that must develop their players from within the boundaries of a single school district. I really have a difficult time believing that any rational mind (in particular a superiorly educated private school mind) could come to any other conclusion. The scoreboard over the past 20 years reinforces this conclusion.

 

I guess you dont realize that St.X won their last title without a single D1 scholarship player. Trinity has only had 3 with their recent run of state championships.

 

This stat was taken from another thread.

 

Last year, Scout's website has 24 signed D-1A prospects from publics, 4 from privates.

'05 had 22 from publics, 4 from privates

'04 had 22 from publics, 2 from privates

 

If X and Trinity can get all this "superior talent" why cant they get some basketball players?

This stat was taken from another thread.

 

Last year, Scout's website has 24 signed D-1A prospects from publics, 4 from privates.

'05 had 22 from publics, 4 from privates

'04 had 22 from publics, 2 from privates

 

That stat is a little misleading when you consider that there are only 16 football-playing private schools and 201 football-playing public schools.

 

If you look at it from a standpoint of ratios, there is one Division 1 football player for about every 9 public schools and one Division 1 football player for every 4 private schools.

That stat is a little misleading when you consider that there are only 16 football-playing private schools and 201 football-playing public schools.

 

If you look at it from a standpoint of ratios, there is one Division 1 football player for about every 9 public schools and one Division 1 football player for every 4 private schools.

 

 

I agree with that but you cant look at that stat and say with a straight face that X and T are these huge magnets for D1 talent. If any school is a magnet its your school.

Ok I can see your point...How many free or reduced lunch kids are attending private schools? How many disabled children/special needs students are admitted to private schools, where the school would have to employee a teacher to meet their needs? In public schools we have to take what walks thru the door. No committee's to review your application, no way to turn away children who live in our district...our hands are tied....how many private school coaches actually teach a full load of classes?....who would be the four big schools.....Trinity, St X...Cov Cath....Desales....Owensboro Cath..Lexington Catholic....all come to mind....New Cath, Beechwood, and the like could be small school....these are the questions some have...

The four large private schools are X, T LexCath and Cov Cath. The others are all markedly smaller.

 

Beechwood is a public school.

 

Trinity's football and basketball coaches teach a full schedule I don't know about the coaches at other schools.

 

Trinity has a very good program for learning diabled students and their campus meets or exceeds all federal standards for accessability and I can think of at least two young men with cerebral palsy (one confined to a wheelchair) that not only attended but flourished at Trinity.

 

How much tuition does a student in a public schools pay?

I agree with that but you cant look at that stat and say with a straight face that X and T are these huge magnets for D1 talent. If any school is a magnet its your school.

 

True. Neither school regularly puts teams on the field with 6-8 Division 1A players. It seems like Trinity has had quite a few more D1 players over the past 5 years than St X, but still not a huge number. St X and Trinity do seem to attract a very large number of Div 1AA and Div 2 caliber players (just my impression), which can have a significant impact at the high school level.