We agree on dialogue.

 

However, IMO the "well Chicago..." argument is FULLY shutting down dialogue.

 

Unfortunately, when you shut down that dialogue, what you get is a still uneducated white person who now wants nothing more to do with any of it because his views are met with criticism and disdain instead of education about why that argument is not valid.

We agree on dialogue.

 

However, IMO the "well Chicago..." argument is FULLY shutting down dialogue.

 

No it's not it's taking it in a direction you don't want it to go from a point of view you don't agree with. Like LA said you can't expect to have a true dialogue if only 1 side gets to decide what appropriate.

Much like the Middle East, there's a lot of "let them exterminate each other" rhetoric.

Much like the Middle East, there's a lot of "let them exterminate each other" rhetoric.

 

I don't know that that's necessarily the general opinion....but you absolutely have to be willing to look inside your own house and own it.

I don't know that that's necessarily the general opinion....but you absolutely have to be willing to look inside your own house and own it.

 

It also needs to be looked at why these inner cities all seem to suffer from the same ills. Imagine if there weren't any drugs allowed to enter into the inner cities at all and they couldn't continue to fight over land they don't own. Their economy would improve because businesses wouldn't be afraid to set up shop there. Schools would improve because high quality teachers wouldn't be afraid to show up to work everyday. Life would improve because people wouldn't be afraid to walk outside anymore. Just imagine, get rid of the drugs and everything could change.

Chicago is somewhat unique. But in some ways it is not.

 

It is unique in the that it had a chance to champion racial integration in housing before the 60s but instead it basically went the other direction and isolated the growing lower income black community - many of whom were coming from the South as automation was removing the need of labor on the farms.

 

It was Valerie Jarrett's grandfather who was the champion for what could have been a monumental approach. But he was rebuffed. I think these type of events have formed some of the key racial attitudes that come from Chicago and certainly led to the current 'two worlds' of Chicago.

 

Four Generations in the Projects - NYTimes.com

 

The most memorialized liberal of all was Robert R. Taylor, the first black chairman of the Chicago Housing Authority; the Robert Taylor Homes are Chicago's (and America's) biggest project, 28 16-story brick buildings laid out in a narrow two-mile strip, housing more than 25,000 people.

 

Robert Taylor lost the great battle of his public career, as liberals often do in Chicago. When the Truman Administration's Federal Housing Act of 1949 provided funds for the construction of 800,000 new units of public housing, Democratic Chicago got its fair share of them. Taylor quickly produced a list of the sites where he intended to build. Most of them were on vacant terrain in white neighborhoods.

At the time, black migrants from the rural South, pushed off the land by the development of machines that could pick cotton and pulled to Chicago by the booming unskilled labor market there, had been coming to town at a rate of more than a thousand a month. As the poorest people in Chicago, the black migrants were the most obvious candidates for billets in the new housing projects. Taylor's list of sites was received as a master plan for neighborhood racial integration on a grand scale.

 

But Robert Taylor's list engendered a furious response from the neighborhood "improvement associations" of white Chicago. In 1950, the City Council rejected most of his sites and approved its own list, which put almost all the new public housing in black neighborhoods, on land to be made available by tearing down existing slums. Humiliated and bitter, Taylor resigned as chairman. Ten years later, the Robert Taylor Homes rose on the former site of one of the poorest tenement neighborhoods in black Chicago -- just the kind of place where Taylor didn't want new public housing to be built. Taylor and his executive secretary at the Chicago Housing Authority, Elizabeth Wood, had dreamed that black and white tenants would live side by side in the new projects; the Robert Taylor Homes have always been essentially all black. The monument to Robert Taylor's memory encapsulates exactly the principles he found repellent, and fought against for years.

 

Knowing what her grandfather tired to do but could not may explain any resentment from Jarrett.

 

Another well-known Chicagoan was Frank Marshall Davis. He mentored the young Obama upon his return from Indonesia during Obama's teen years. Davis was known to be bitter about race issues. He channeled this into anti-establishment endeavors. And his angst with white America may influence some of the current administrations attitudes.

 

But when one looks at Davis's past you find he was likely in Tulsa during the 'Tulsa Riots'. The Tulsa Riots are a dark chapter in race relations for sure but rarely get noticed in the race issues of the past. But during the Tulsa riots a black neighborhood know as the Negro Wall Street was destroyed and literally had some bombs dropped from WWI vintage airplanes onto this vibrant black community.

 

Same era as the Rosewood Destruction in Florida. Race relations in the first 30 years of the 20th century were absolutely awful in this country.

No it's not it's taking it in a direction you don't want it to go from a point of view you don't agree with. Like LA said you can't expect to have a true dialogue if only 1 side gets to decide what appropriate.

 

Here's what it does.

 

Let's say your dad is a convicted violent felon.

 

It's like me telling you that you can't complain about anything violent done to you or your family because of your dad.

Here's what it does.

 

Let's say your dad is a convicted violent felon.

 

It's like me telling you that you can't complain about anything violent done to you or your family because of your dad.

 

In your opinion, which is no more or less valid then mine or anyone else's. In my opinion the issue of violence against black victims MUST include that perpetrated by blacks on blacks. It's my opinion, again no more or less valid then your or anyone else's, that some instances police shootings have been a symptom of a bigger illness. For the record I don't remember anyone suggesting BLM CAN'T protest, rather their protests are biased and should also address the issue of black on black violence and perhaps even the violence that occurs at their protests.

In your opinion, which is no more or less valid then mine or anyone else's. In my opinion the issue of violence against black victims MUST include that perpetrated by blacks on blacks. It's my opinion, again no more or less valid then your or anyone else's, that some instances police shootings have been a symptom of a bigger illness. For the record I don't remember anyone suggesting BLM CAN'T protest, rather their protests are biased and should also address the issue of black on black violence and perhaps even the violence that occurs at their protests.

 

An analogy I have seen used when people say this is something like this:

 

"We all know cancer sucks but we don't talk about all of the other diseases so from now on when someone says cancer sucks I'll be sure to remind folks that AIDS, heart disease and diabetes suck too. So instead of just saying only cancer sucks we need to be saying all diseases suck. I mean, we can't leave all the diseases out and only talk about cancer. Other diseases are killing too."

 

And for the record, there are countless blacks, BLM representatives and even the great divider himself, Obama, who have spoken out against violence that has been taking place at some protests. Of course there have been way more peaceful protests than violent ones.

An analogy I have seen used when people say this is something like this:

 

"We all know cancer sucks but we don't talk about all of the other diseases so from now on when someone says cancer sucks I'll be sure to remind folks that AIDS, heart disease and diabetes suck too. So instead of just saying only cancer sucks we need to be saying all diseases suck. I mean, we can't leave all the diseases out and only talk about cancer. Other diseases are killing too."

 

And for the record, there are countless blacks, BLM representatives and even the great divider himself, Obama, who have spoken out against violence that has been taking place at some protests. Of course there have been way more peaceful protests than violent ones.

 

Next time someone tells me cancer is bad, I am going to tell them that their point is mistaken unless they can solve the crime issue in Chicago.

The joke about Chicago and I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet but they have the toughest gun laws in the country, yet they are full of crime. Now it's not supposed to work that way. That's why we all mock Chi-Raq.

The joke about Chicago and I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet but they have the toughest gun laws in the country, yet they are full of crime. Now it's not supposed to work that way. That's why we all mock Chi-Raq.

 

Took less than 24 hours.

The joke about Chicago and I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet but they have the toughest gun laws in the country, yet they are full of crime. Now it's not supposed to work that way. That's why we all mock Chi-Raq.

 

And why some want to dampen debate.