I agree. But if this guy would have lived, where does he go? Mental hospital or prison?

 

My vote would be death row.

 

I can't say about this guy. Theoretically the mental health care system would catch this. Of course, we all know about theories.

 

My point being, if mental health care in this country, from the standpoint of the general citizenry, weren't stuck in the mindset of "lobotomize them all!" or to a lesser extreme "institutionalize them all!" we might have a lesser problem. Treatment goes a long way, but sadly the results aren't immediate enough to satisfy a "results now" culture.

She needs to be held accountable.

 

A BIG THIS...throw the book at her and make a huge example out of her! Once she knew she was unable to "talk him out of it" it's her responsibility to alert the proper authorities and she did not.

 

She became complicit to the crime at that point! People should be more sick over this fact than all the gun rights, civil liberty, surveillance, terrorist discussion...this event could have been prevented all together if she steps forward!

A BIG THIS...throw the book at her and make a huge example out of her! Once she knew she was unable to "talk him out of it" it's her responsibility to alert the proper authorities and she did not.

 

She became complicit to the crime at that point! People should be more sick over this fact than all the gun rights, civil liberty, surveillance, terrorist discussion...this event could have been prevented all together if she steps forward!

 

Any decent lawyer will probably argue that she had to be complicit for fear of her own life, or something along those lines. Dude was crazy enough to shoot over 100 people at the club. I'm sure a lawyer could argue that all day.

 

In saying that, I think they should go after her with everything they can.

Any decent lawyer will probably argue that she had to be complicit for fear of her own life, or something along those lines. Dude was crazy enough to shoot over 100 people at the club. I'm sure a lawyer could argue that all day.

 

"WORD!"

 

In saying that, I think they should go after her with everything they can.

 

A to the men...

I agree. But if this guy would have lived, where does he go? Mental hospital or prison?

 

My vote would be death row.

 

Prison and possible death sentence because he is guilty of mass murder. But he is to be condemned for the action he took not because he is mentally ill. This is my point all along about the mentally ill and background checks. Mental illness is not a crime. If a mentally ill person has taken some actions that raise red flags, then she will be flagged in a background check in the same way people who aren't diagnosed as mentally would be flagged taking the same actions. Having a disease is not reason enough to yank constitutional rights.

 

A BIG THIS...throw the book at her and make a huge example out of her! Once she knew she was unable to "talk him out of it" it's her responsibility to alert the proper authorities and she did not.

 

She became complicit to the crime at that point! People should be more sick over this fact than all the gun rights, civil liberty, surveillance, terrorist discussion...this event could have been prevented all together if she steps forward!

 

You are right, of course. However, if you've ever dealt with someone who is threatening suicide it is difficult to make that call to 911 to have them hauled away to the psych ward. Is it worth the call--you bet it is. But determining whether someone actually means to harm himself or is just talking is a difficult thing to discern. Of course, you take the talk serious. But serious means you try to determine what level of risk they are to themselves or others. Quite often, you stay with the person and the risk diminishes greatly so you don't have to call. It is a tough thing to discern.

 

Maybe that is the situation the wife found herself in. This is giving her the benefit of the doubt and trying to explain why she may not make the call. She may not have been able to convince herself that her husband was actually capable of such an evil deed. Another post gives a different possible reason along the lines of a battered woman defense.

There's a big difference between mentally ill and evil.

I agree. But if this guy would have lived, where does he go? Mental hospital or prison?

 

My vote would be death row.

 

I REALLY try to be against the death penalty in all cases, BUT, this guy would come close as anyone on me saying "go for it".

 

I'm 100% against incarceration if at all possible, especially if there is a possibility of a successful rehash/therapy, ONLY if they did not commit a violent act and or having a chance of committing one in the future. So the latter would exclude this guy. Just like the guy who shot Reagan, some sort of mental illness? Ok, fine! Then a mental faculty that they can never escape from, and IF they ever are deemed competent? And act like this and with president Reagan the shooter will have to serve life either in the secured mental faculty or be transferred to prison. With such a horrendous act a person can never see the light of day.

 

A few things that I have against the death penalty, what if they are innocent? (No dispute whatsoever here, this doesn't apply here). Should we be the ones who determines who lives and who dies? And the lastly, to me a death penalty is an easy way out, no suffering, or very little. He is 29 years old, if he lives close to a normal lifespan that is around 50 years locked up, knowing that he will never see freedom again. To me, this is a lot more punishment that a putting him to a death.

 

But again, this case comes as close as I can get in saying pull the switch.

There's a big difference between mentally ill and evil.

 

Agreed! Many cases we shake our heads and ask why? How? Many times it is some type of mental issue, but others it's evil. If one believes in God, they must also believe in satan and evil. Even no religious people see that there are evil forces.

I don't think we can find too many people anywhere that would say that the wife shouldn't be charged. So I am pretty confident that this is one thing that we all can agree on.

 

I can understand the person loving their spouse, and being the other parent of your child, but if she couldn't convince him to not do this the person then had to realize that the spouse could very well kill them and their kids as well. They then have an obligation to stop the act by calling the authorities. We also need to make daggone sure that the people who do report these types of people get 24/7 protection and that they will never have to fear any retribution.

Old Grappler, sorry I'm on my mobile and didn't want to quote your whole post and attempt to delete all that didn't pertain to what I wanted to get back to you on.

 

The part where you mentioned about a person who may just mention suicide without meaning it.

 

There is a person that I know of where this is almost a weekly accordance, mainly to gain attention, they do have some issues with attention, a lot of issues actually. At first a person should be very worried and take the person seriously, she should have taken him seriously, as well as think of her kid! Does she want her son to grow up without knowing his father? THIS is a HUGE problem today in this country, too many kids (mainly boys) do not have a adult male/father in their life's.

 

I can see if this guy constantly made threats and never followed through.

 

I'd say almost all of us in her position would think of that TV show "what would you do?"..... A family member, friend, or someone we just know of, who is not known to make idle threats makes a threat, do you think that there is the slightest chance that the person may consider following through with the threat? If there is even the slightest chance, you owe it to your kid(s) to stop the parent from never being in your kids life ever again.

Mateen's father, an Afghan native, on Wednesday denied his son, who was born in New York, had any connection to ISIS.

 

"He is born here," Seddique Mateen told CNN. "He's gone to school. He's gone to college. He worked here. He's never been back to Afghanistan. He had no interest."

 

Omar Mateen called friend, TV station during attack, officials say - CNN.com

On Chick-Fil-a, what a GREAT gesture!

 

Chick-Fil-a had a messy reputation with many in the gblt (forgive me if I forgot anyone) community and others like myself.

 

This act that they showed on Sunday, it shows what religious people not only should do, but are commanded to do, by helping out our brothers and sisters in need! Yes, you're going to have some people who will say that this was just a publicity stunt. I don't care! I don't care what one of the reasons may or may not be, the act itself is what God expects!

 

I hope that this act of kindness goes a long way in smoothing things out and changing there reputation. Does this mean that you will start seeing Chick-Fil-a booths at gay pride events? No, and they don't have to do that to love all of our brothers and sisters, and to be there in their time of need.

Mateen's father, an Afghan native, on Wednesday denied his son, who was born in New York, had any connection to ISIS.

 

"He is born here," Seddique Mateen told CNN. "He's gone to school. He's gone to college. He worked here. He's never been back to Afghanistan. He had no interest."

 

Omar Mateen called friend, TV station during attack, officials say - CNN.com

 

As I said yesterday, this man needs to get an attorney and just shut up! He is only making things worse on himself and his grandson. The man is in denial, refuses to believe that his son might have been gay, and now refuses to believe that he may have been radicalized. He may be correct on the latter, but the investigators will figure that out. Just go away! He needs to realize that his son had a secret life, he was gay, and he needs to also realized that his son may have at least been inspired by a terror group. But, this is a common thing among parents, they see their own reputation coming into question, which it doesn't have to.

How many victims were shot by police?

How many victims were shot by police?

 

It's early in the investigation, but so far I've heard zero.

 

Once the hole was knocked in the wall Omar crawled thru it and began firing, he was killed very quickly.

 

A lot of rounds were fired from both sides, it will be a miracle if no one was killed by friendly fire.