I'm so glad my people were immigrant scum so that I don't have to be saddled with complex feelings about the CSA.

 

Me, too, though my immigrant scum came up through the southwest part of the county back in the early 1800s and our skin is brown enough that my Vietnam veteran father is still made by some to feel like a "dirty illegal."

Where it's located is a bit odd, so that's the only question in my mind. Would it be better located elsewhere or does this specific site offer some significance?

Where it's located is a bit odd, so that's the only question in my mind. Would it be better located elsewhere or does this specific site offer some significance?

 

At the time it was planted, I don't think there was much going on around it. The campus grew up around it, and that's when it became prominent.

Me, too, though my immigrant scum came up through the southwest part of the county back in the early 1800s and our skin is brown enough that my Vietnam veteran father is still made by some to feel like a "dirty illegal."

 

Dang. Where was that wall when we needed it?

At the time it was planted, I don't think there was much going on around it. The campus grew up around it, and that's when it became prominent.

Yes. I should have said, "Where it is located is NOW a bit odd."

How many people even thought about the monument before they decided it needed to be moved to protect people from being insulted?

I did not, as mentioned before. It simply was a quirky thing about 3rd St near UL.. I know I never went out of my way to visit it, not did any thoughts about it ever cross my mind as I passed. And in reality, about the only thing I would miss is that there was something odd, that was normal in my world, missing.

Maybe it can be stored with the Louisville clock wth the figurines that race around the face. That clock is having a tough time finding a home. If this monument is taken down, I question whether it will ever be re-erected. I think the proponents of the removal are just saying that in order to help sell their deal.

How many people even thought about the monument before they decided it needed to be moved to protect people from being insulted?

 

I really think it no longer fits its surroundings. I am not sure if ever 'fit' where it was. But as RM said it used to be on the edge of campus. I think the President and Mayor came to the conclusion it was any eyesore given the development or an embarrassment of having a memorial 'honoring' the Confederacy in the same development or maybe a bit both.

 

They seem to feel they had to demonize it to get what they want - for it to move.

Are there public displays of swastikas in Germany from the third Reich? Never been, just wondering how that part of their past is handled.

Are there public displays of swastikas in Germany from the third Reich? Never been' date=' just wondering how that part of their past is handled.[/quote']

 

To thw best of my knowledge no, but there is a ton of Nazi architecture all over Berlin.

Where it's located is a bit odd, so that's the only question in my mind. Would it be better located elsewhere or does this specific site offer some significance?

 

For those of you outside of Louisville that don't know how Mayor Greg operates, this is the second historic piece that he's wanted to remove and then store until another site for it can be found. The facade for an old Louisville Water Company building is still in mothballs after Mayor Greg ordered it to be dismantled and stored to make way for a new hotel downtown.

 

I have no doubt of 2 things, if taken down a more appropriate location will never be found and if there wasn't a supposed "need" to reconfigure traffic for the new Speed Museum this never would have happened. Is it a coincidence that Mayor Greg made the announcement about a week after the Speed Museum re-opened? Mayor Greg and Prez Ramsey staged this stunt just to score political points.

Some historical background:

 

Civil War in Kentucky

 

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[TD=width: 500] The largest of Kentucky's Civil War monuments was erected by the Kentucky Women's Confederate Monument Association in 1895. Led by Susan P. Hepburn of Louisville, the organization raised $12,000 to construct this 70-foot-tall monument. It is located on the northwest edge of the University of Louisville campus, near what later became the site of the J. B. Speed Art Museum.

 

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The completion date was significant because, in 1895, Louisville hosted the 29^th annual convention of the Grand Army of the Republic (GAR). It was the first time this annual meeting of veterans of the Union Army was held north of the Mason Dixon Line, and it was a major event in the community. The dedication of the grand Confederate monument was a major effort to honor the Confederacy at a time when 150,000 loyal Unionists had converged on the city.

 

 

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Some historical background:

 

Civil War in Kentucky

 

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[TD=width: 500] The largest of Kentucky's Civil War monuments was erected by the Kentucky Women's Confederate Monument Association in 1895. Led by Susan P. Hepburn of Louisville, the organization raised $12,000 to construct this 70-foot-tall monument. It is located on the northwest edge of the University of Louisville campus, near what later became the site of the J. B. Speed Art Museum.

 

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The completion date was significant because, in 1895, Louisville hosted the 29^th annual convention of the Grand Army of the Republic (GAR). It was the first time this annual meeting of veterans of the Union Army was held north of the Mason Dixon Line, and it was a major event in the community. The dedication of the grand Confederate monument was a major effort to honor the Confederacy at a time when 150,000 loyal Unionists had converged on the city.

 

 

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That second paragraph reads like it was put up as a middle finger by people still fighting the Civil War 30 years after the fact.

Crew begins dismantling Confederate monument in Louisville

(Reuters) - A work crew began to dismantle a Confederate monument in Louisville, Kentucky on Saturday, the mayor said, in the latest move to take down or relocate symbols of the slaveholding Southern Confederacy from the American Civil War.

Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer in a pair of messages on Twitter showed photos of figures that had been removed from the monument.

"We've started disassembly (of) the Confederate Monument," Fischer wrote.

The 121-year-old memorial will be moved from its current location adjacent to the University of Louisville to the town of Brandenburg, a town about 40 miles (64 km) southwest of Louisville that hosts a biennial Civil War re-enactment, officials have said.

Fischer said earlier this week that the Brandenburg location provides a "more proper context" for the monument, which is 70 feet (21 meters) tall.

Chris Poynter, a spokesman for Fischer, said in an email on Saturday the work of dismantling the monument will continue for several days.

Students and staff members at the University of Louisville had said the memorial condoned slavery.

Earlier this year, a Louisville judge rejected a bid by opponents of the monument's relocation to keep it in its current location

Kentucky was a slave state that did not join the Confederacy. Many Kentucky residents, however, fought for the South, which was ultimately defeated by the Union forces of northern states.

Confederate symbols have been removed from a number of centers of civic life in the United States over the last two years following criticism that the displays foster racism.

The Washington National Cathedral said this year it was removing Confederate battle flags from two stained glass windows honoring Confederate Generals Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee.

Last year, the Confederate flag was removed from the grounds of the South Carolina state capitol, which was one of the most prominent placements for the flag, following the massacre of nine black churchgoers in Charleston. The man charged with the murders was seen in photographs posing with the battle flag carried by Confederate soldiers.