I thought they wanted to move it to a more appropriate place, not destroy it. I'm all for moving it to a park or similar historic sight.

I don't see it getting moved any place that won't also be filled with controversy.

At first my reaction was it should stay. Confederate Triangle used to be the gateway into frat row as I remember. But I can see from the satellite pictures (have not been on 3rd Street around there for a while) that the landscape around the memorial is completely different. Its not out of the way, under or behind some trees now. Its in the middle of campus, in what looks like high profile development. It does not fit the surroundings. Let it move.

At first my reaction was it should stay. Confederate Triangle used to be the gateway into frat row as I remember. But I can see from the satellite pictures (have not been on 3rd Street around there for a while) that the landscape around the memorial is completely different. Its not out of the way, under or behind some trees now. Its in the middle of campus, in what looks like high profile development. It does not fit the surroundings. Let it move.

Frat row still stands, but you're right. The area as a whole has exploded with campus development. And now, 3rd Street, instead of bordering the campus, now runs right through the campus, dividing housing from academic buildings. Brandeis is similarly now essentially a "campus" avenue, along with Floyd and Eastern Parkway. I could definitely see where the confusion comes in who owns the land. Technically, I'd assume whomever owns the street.

 

Like I said above, I don't care one way or another. But, again, I also never knew it was Confederate Triangle, nor a confederate monument. I guess that's what I get for getting my history from my dad as we tooled around the city on his days off seeing the sights. :lol2:

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Only in America are we still compelled to honor traitors out of some misguided sense of allegiance to the past. Tear the thing down and in its place put up a monument to people who died to preserve the union and abolish slavery rather than those in favor of disunion and chains.

 

Is the whitewashing of history a good thing? Absolutely not, but by the propagation of this romantic vision of the old confederacy with its "lost cause" narrative emblazoned on monuments, that's exactly what we're doing. Leaving this monument up is an absolute whitewashing of history. Tearing it down for good would be a powerful reminder to a new generation of Americans that there was no place in a free nation for slave labor, economic injustice, and radical segregation.

 

Get rid of the thing and let the history books finally remember the rebellion for what it was: the last gasp of the Southern landed elite trying to preserve their fortunes on the backs of free, forced labor in an age long past and gratefully forgotten.

 

Excellent, excellent post.

Only in America are we still compelled to honor traitors out of some misguided sense of allegiance to the past. Tear the thing down and in its place put up a monument to people who died to preserve the union and abolish slavery rather than those in favor of disunion and chains.

 

Is the whitewashing of history a good thing? Absolutely not, but by the propagation of this romantic vision of the old confederacy with its "lost cause" narrative emblazoned on monuments, that's exactly what we're doing. Leaving this monument up is an absolute whitewashing of history. Tearing it down for good would be a powerful reminder to a new generation of Americans that there was no place in a free nation for slave labor, economic injustice, and radical segregation.

 

Get rid of the thing and let the history books finally remember the rebellion for what it was: the last gasp of the Southern landed elite trying to preserve their fortunes on the backs of free, forced labor in an age long past and gratefully forgotten.

 

I honestly don't care about the statute or this specific issue. The entire issue is silly to me. But I do what to make a few points after reading a few posts.

 

I do think your post and Habib post might be ignoring the sentiments and wishes of President Lincoln. In a historical context Lincoln welcomed the South back as brothers and sisters not as traitors or enemies.

 

I have no ties to the confederacy in my family. But there are millions upon millions of Americans who do. I don't think a flag should be flown on our capitols . But allowing pepole to learn from history and to owner their heritage should not be stopped.

Only in America are we still compelled to honor traitors out of some misguided sense of allegiance to the past. Tear the thing down and in its place put up a monument to people who died to preserve the union and abolish slavery rather than those in favor of disunion and chains.

 

Is the whitewashing of history a good thing? Absolutely not, but by the propagation of this romantic vision of the old confederacy with its "lost cause" narrative emblazoned on monuments, that's exactly what we're doing. Leaving this monument up is an absolute whitewashing of history. Tearing it down for good would be a powerful reminder to a new generation of Americans that there was no place in a free nation for slave labor, economic injustice, and radical segregation.

 

Get rid of the thing and let the history books finally remember the rebellion for what it was: the last gasp of the Southern landed elite trying to preserve their fortunes on the backs of free, forced labor in an age long past and gratefully forgotten.

 

With that mind set then I assume you are ok with tearing down the Washington monument and the Jefferson monument correct?

Any truth that @plantmanky's Great Great Great Grandpa upon hearing of the South leaving the Union was quoted as saying, "Eliminate the threat"?

Any truth that @plantmanky's Great Great Great Grandpa upon hearing of the South leaving the Union was quoted as saying, "Eliminate the threat"?

 

Depends on which side of the family you want to go. One side was being oppressed by the white man as they drove the indians further west. The other was in Europe discussing how this "new nation" was going to fail.

With that mind set then I assume you are ok with tearing down the Washington monument and the Jefferson monument correct?

 

I am.

Only in America are we still compelled to honor traitors out of some misguided sense of allegiance to the past. Tear the thing down and in its place put up a monument to people who died to preserve the union and abolish slavery rather than those in favor of disunion and chains.

 

Is the whitewashing of history a good thing? Absolutely not, but by the propagation of this romantic vision of the old confederacy with its "lost cause" narrative emblazoned on monuments, that's exactly what we're doing. Leaving this monument up is an absolute whitewashing of history. Tearing it down for good would be a powerful reminder to a new generation of Americans that there was no place in a free nation for slave labor, economic injustice, and radical segregation.

 

Get rid of the thing and let the history books finally remember the rebellion for what it was: the last gasp of the Southern landed elite trying to preserve their fortunes on the backs of free, forced labor in an age long past and gratefully forgotten.

 

#heritagenothate

With that mind set then I assume you are ok with tearing down the Washington monument and the Jefferson monument correct?

 

Washington and Jefferson were on the winning side. I dare say that had the Brits won, we wouldn't be looking at monuments to the men who signed the Declaration of Independence anywhere around here.

Washington and Jefferson were on the winning side. I dare say that had the Brits won, we wouldn't be looking at monuments to the men who signed the Declaration of Independence anywhere around here.

 

They were also slave owners, which is a large part of what the south was fighting for. If you are going to remove a monument about the confederacy because of what they stood for, then you need to be translucent to all monuments and what they stand for.

They were also slave owners, which is a large part of what the south was fighting for. If you are going to remove a monument about the confederacy because of what they stood for, then you need to be translucent to all monuments and what they stand for.

 

I really don't need to be translucent at all.

 

I daresay that if the other leaders in the South held Jefferson's views on the wickedness of the slave trade and gradual emancipation we may not have been in that terrible place some 80 years after independence.

 

There's no doubt that Jefferson and many other founding fathers had a troubling history with slaves that seemed at odds with their ideals about the fundamental equality of men a free republic and government of the people, but their writings and the things they fought for became the fundamental basis that led to a massive movement to destroy that institution once and for all. And by the 1850s those writings formed the basis of an idea whose time had come.

 

If we can't differentiate between the highest ideals of free government as laid out by founding fathers with an admittedly cloudy past and those men who would rebel against those principles in order to ensure continued political and economic predominance, well then I don't know where we are.