No they are more common than you think .

Ever since I've been alive(and probably before), Pachyderms have been incredibly uptight about such things. Prudes.

 

I'm not even close to being a prude. I could care less what an adult does to their self or with another consenting adult. It's a free country, god bless it stays that way. On the other side of that the best way to find yourself in a pickle is to expose a child to something most people don't think is considered appropriate for CHILDREN. People tend to be more conservative about that. If that makes me a prude, oh well. But if you mess with or around my kids it makes you hurt or dead. ( not you as in SF, you as in whomever would make that mistake) Most people have no deeper love than for their children. Playing the bathroom game when kids could be involved is not a good idea.

Same old stuff. Overzealous people on the extreme right and left make a mountain out of a mole hill. Been happening a long time. Most people have no clue who is in the bathroom with them. Most people go in, do their thing, wash their hands (maybe) and leave. Usually having no idea who was in the restroom with them.

 

Making another rule/law when it is not necessary.

Same old stuff. Overzealous people on the extreme right and left make a mountain out of a mole hill. Been happening a long time. Most people have no clue who is in the bathroom with them. Most people go in, do their thing, wash their hands (maybe) and leave. Usually having no idea who was in the restroom with them.

 

Making another rule/law when it is not necessary.

 

No, thinking it is insane to allow men to go into women's restrooms or locker rooms is not overzealous or making a mountain out of a mole hill. It is just common sense. This whole identification thing is just WAY out of hand. So if you feel you are a woman, that makes you a woman when you are clearly NOT a woman? We are living in some really strange times. So if you are 5'3'' but feel you are tall, are you? If you have $10 to your name but feel rich, are you? If both of your parents are white but you feel black, are you? We as a nation have become so narcissistic that we now feel that just because we want to be something, we are. It really is an unbelievable time we are living in currently.

No, thinking it is insane to allow men to go into women's restrooms or locker rooms is not overzealous or making a mountain out of a mole hill. It is just common sense. This whole identification thing is just WAY out of hand. So if you feel you are a woman, that makes you a woman when you are clearly NOT a woman? We are living in some really strange times. So if you are 5'3'' but feel you are tall, are you? If you have $10 to your name but feel rich, are you? If both of your parents are white but you feel black, are you? We as a nation have become so narcissistic that we now feel that just because we want to be something, we are. It really is an unbelievable time we are living in currently.

 

I got news for you......it's always been like this. Transgender people have been around since the beginning of time. Folks of all races have tried to pass as other races to avoid discrimination. Gays have tried to pass as straight. It's not new. The question is why does it upset you?? None of the things you mention affect the way most of us live our life.

 

A transgender using the restroom isn't going to result in sexual assaults, or people trying to "cross dress" to gain access to commit assaults. Remember, most sexual assaults aren't random...they are usually committed by a person the victim knows...not some random person. And if they wanted to use the bathroom to try to attack someone by "dressing as a women", no law is going to stop it, just as nothing is stopping them from doing it now.

 

And again, transgender people are already using the bathroom they identify with now, with no incident. And forcing a transgender women to use the men's restroom is far more likely to result in violence....transgender folks already experience a higher rate of violence than everyone else as it is. Fear is a daily reality for the transgender community.

 

This isn't about privacy.....it's about fear and misunderstanding. The privacy argument for these anti-trans bathroom bills falls apart when it comes to enforcement. Who exactly will have the authority to verify who is “male” or who is “female”? Will there be a bathroom patrol? What will happen to androgynous men and women who don’t conform to the police officer or bureaucrat’s notion of what “real” maleness or femaleness is? The enforcement of these laws would likely lead to less privacy than we currently have now.

 

Bottom line, these proposed laws are simply solutions in search of a problem.

I got news for you......it's always been like this. Transgender people have been around since the beginning of time. Folks of all races have tried to pass as other races to avoid discrimination. Gays have tried to pass as straight. It's not new. The question is why does it upset you?? None of the things you mention affect the way most of us live our life.

 

A transgender using the restroom isn't going to result in sexual assaults, or people trying to "cross dress" to gain access to commit assaults. Remember, most sexual assaults aren't random...they are usually committed by a person the victim knows...not some random person. And if they wanted to use the bathroom to try to attack someone by "dressing as a women", no law is going to stop it, just as nothing is stopping them from doing it now.

 

And again, transgender people are already using the bathroom they identify with now, with no incident. And forcing a transgender women to use the men's restroom is far more likely to result in violence....transgender folks already experience a higher rate of violence than everyone else as it is. Fear is a daily reality for the transgender community.

 

This isn't about privacy.....it's about fear and misunderstanding. The privacy argument for these anti-trans bathroom bills falls apart when it comes to enforcement. Who exactly will have the authority to verify who is “male” or who is “female”? Will there be a bathroom patrol? What will happen to androgynous men and women who don’t conform to the police officer or bureaucrat’s notion of what “real” maleness or femaleness is? The enforcement of these laws would likely lead to less privacy than we currently have now.

 

Bottom line, these proposed laws are simply solutions in search of a problem.

 

No one is calling for proactive enforcement but these laws are meant to protect business owners who ask customers to use the proper bathroom so they can't be sued later.

No one is calling for proactive enforcement but these laws are meant to protect business owners who ask customers to use the proper bathroom so they can't be sued later.

 

Ok....but how does that make it different from what currently exists? Are business owners up to their ears in lawsuits because of men dressing up as women to commit assaults? And what about the other way around? What if these laws force a transgender person into the "correct" bathroom where they get assaulted by someone (which is the far more likely scenario). I'm sorry...these laws don't fix or improve anything.

 

And if the laws are on the books, what's the point if we aren't proactively enforcing them. There's got to be a penalty for breaking the law. Someone has to be in charge of determining if the law was broken. And how do you think the person who gets wrongly accused of breaking the law will react? Probably by bringing a lawsuit against the business owner.

Ok....but how does that make it different from what currently exists? Are business owners up to their ears in lawsuits because of men dressing up as women to commit assaults? And what about the other way around? What if these laws force a transgender person into the "correct" bathroom where they get assaulted by someone (which is the far more likely scenario). I'm sorry...these laws don't fix or improve anything.

 

You're right we don't live in a culture where everyone feels society should cater to them and if they don't , they never sue. Nope not today. Where would anyone think society is trending that way ?

You're right we don't live in a culture where everyone feels society should cater to them and if they don't , they never sue. Nope not today. Where would anyone think society is trending that way ?

 

So again, what happens when someone gets wrongly accused of breaking law? That really feminine guy that looks kind of like a women....or the women that looks kind of like a guy. First who's gonna check?? Second, what happens when the person "enforcing" the law is wrong? Sounds like a lawsuit.

 

The simplest solution is often the best.

It's currently a non issue....these laws will cause more problems and infringe on privacy more than the current situation. Has there been a business owner that's been sued under current laws?? I spent 17 years managing high volume retail locations, some of those in New York City and Philly. Not once did I ever have an issue under existing laws.

So again, what happens when someone gets wrongly accused of breaking law? That really feminine guy that looks kind of like a women....or the women that looks kind of like a guy. First who's gonna check?? Second, what happens when the person "enforcing" the law is wrong? Sounds like a lawsuit.

 

It's currently a non issue....these laws will cause more problems and infringe on privacy more than the current situation.

 

Haha now you're reaching. Let's just think of every crazy scenario .

 

I don't buy a right to privacy equals using the wrong bathroom. It's not a crazy statement like some are making it out to be there is no bigotry just common sense.

 

If a woman dressed as a man walked into the bathroom would I care or tell anyone ? Nope. But if I'm at a family dinner and a man walks into the bathroom with my teenage sister would I do something , yep.

 

Men don't belong in a bathroom with women or little girls. Opens to many negative possibitles.

 

How do we know who is really a transgender and who is just a perv? Do we create a criteria for dress code ? What if I identify as a woman but dress as a man ? Can I go into the women's restroom? Where is the line ?

Haha now you're reaching. Let's just think of every crazy scenario .

 

I don't buy a right to privacy equals using the wrong bathroom. It's not a crazy statement like some are making it out to be there is no bigotry just common sense.

 

If a woman dressed as a man walked into the bathroom would I care or tell anyone ? Nope. But if I'm at a family dinner and a man walks into the bathroom with my teenage sister would I do something , yep.

 

Men don't belong in a bathroom with women or little girls. Opens to many negative possibitles.

 

How do we know who is really a transgender and who is just a perv? Do we create a criteria for dress code ? What if I identify as a woman but dress as a man ? Can I go into the women's restroom? Where is the line ?

 

My scenario of someone being wrongly accused is no more crazy than men dressing as women to enter the ladies room to assault other women. My scenario becomes a distinct possibility with this law. People are wrongly accused of crimes every day. And the only way to enforce a new law like this is to invade someone's privacy. As far as your scenario, well, it can happen right now, as there are many communities and cities that DO allow transgender folks access to the bathrooms they identify as...and guess what? It's not happening. Current laws provide enough protection....this new law is based on a fear that currently isn't a problem. Where's the line?? The line already exists and is working just fine.

My scenario of someone being wrongly accused is no more crazy than men dressing as women to enter the ladies room to assault other women. My scenario becomes a distinct possibility with this law. People are wrongly accused of crimes every day. And the only way to enforce a new law like this is to invade someone's privacy. As far as your scenario, well, it can happen right now, as there are many communities and cities that DO allow transgender folks access to the bathrooms they identify as...and guess what? It's not happening. Current laws provide enough protection....this new law is based on a fear that currently isn't a problem. Where's the line?? The line already exists and is working just fine.

 

Someone posted an example of abuse of allowing this in this very thread ?

Someone posted an example of abuse of allowing this in this very thread ?

 

Ok...let's look at those incidents

 

The first was a case where two guys got arrested for using their cell phones to take pictures of women using the bathroom. Nothing in the article mentions they dressed as women to gain access or that they used transgender rights as a defense to them being in the restroom. This possibility exists under current laws, and will still exist under the new laws. This case has nothing to do with transgender rights.

 

Case number two involved a guy a went into a ladies locker room wearing swim trunks and a shirt. He proceeded to take his shirt off. When approached by staff, he claimed he had a right to be there. Again, he wasn't dressed as a women, didn't look anything like a women, or try to "trick" anyone to gain access to the locker room. He simply walked in. Yeah, he tried to claim he had a "right" to be there, but he certainly didn't dress as a women or wear a disguise to gain access. This situation is just as likely to occur without any laws. And by the way, no assault occurred or was even attempted.

 

So in reality, the examples given, can occur with and without any new law, and neither are examples of a man dressing as woman to gain access public restrooms to commit assaults. In fact, they have nothing to do with the laws being discussed.

Ok...let's look at those incidents

 

The first was a case where two guys got arrested for using their cell phones to take pictures of women using the bathroom. Nothing in the article mentions they dressed as women to gain access or that they used transgender rights as a defense to them being in the restroom. This possibility exists under current laws, and will still exist under the new laws. This case has nothing to do with transgender rights.

 

Case number two involved a guy a went into a ladies locker room wearing swim trunks and a shirt. He proceeded to take his shirt off. When approached by staff, he claimed he had a right to be there. Again, he wasn't dressed as a women, didn't look anything like a women, or try to "trick" anyone to gain access to the locker room. He simply walked in. Yeah, he tried to claim he had a "right" to be there, but he certainly didn't dress as a women or wear a disguise to gain access. This situation is just as likely to occur without any laws. And by the way, no assault occurred or was even attempted.

 

So in reality, the examples given, can occur with and without any new law, and neither are examples of a man dressing as woman to gain access public restrooms to commit assaults. In fact, they have nothing to do with the laws being discussed.

 

So now you have to dress as a woman? Maybe he identified as a woman. So your saying there has to be a dress code. What is that dress code ? I asked it earlier , what is the line ?

 

The very clear cut one is already there based on your body parts. Blurring the lines , then where are the limits.

 

So by your statement if in each example those guys throw on a wig and they have a right to be there.

Same old stuff. Overzealous people on the extreme right and left make a mountain out of a mole hill. Been happening a long time. Most people have no clue who is in the bathroom with them. Most people go in, do their thing, wash their hands (maybe) and leave. Usually having no idea who was in the restroom with them.

 

Making another rule/law when it is not necessary.

 

I dont want you in the bathroom with my daughter. Makes no difference if you wear a skirt and makeup.