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Chomsky: Commonalities Between Rise of Trump and Hitler

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So enforcing immigration law and protecting the country from Islamic Fundamentalism is FASCIST? What other candidate has a plane to deal with the costs of incarcerating 10's of thousands of foreign nationals who have committed felonies? You cannot address and solve political problems by being politically correct. Therein lies Trump's popularity.

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Trump may be to rogue, but he's saying what people like me want to hear instead of what the CEOs want to hear. I agree 100% he is no Hitler (our country couldn't/wouldn't allow it). He's acting non "PC" Because he doesn't have to grovel for corporate support like every other politician. He is feeding of the frustration of the 99%, much like the dictators in 1930s Europe. He's energetic with a ticked off attitude towards Washington just like me. He is like Hitler in the way he has people drinking the kool-ade right out of his hands.

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Trump may be to rogue, but he's saying what people like me want to hear instead of what the CEOs want to hear. I agree 100% he is no Hitler (our country couldn't/wouldn't allow it). He's acting non "PC" Because he doesn't have to grovel for corporate support like every other politician. He is feeding of the frustration of the 99%, much like the dictators in 1930s Europe. He's energetic with a ticked off attitude towards Washington just like me. He is like Hitler in the way he has people drinking the kool-ade right out of his hands.

 

I might add that this anger is not a partisan phenomena. Trump is winning female and Hispanic voters.

 

Trump Wins Nevada With Latino And Women Voters

 

The fact that he is willing to call out The Bush Administration for its decision to invade Iraq as a response to 9/11 totally endears me to him.

It's only a "cheap correlation" to those unable to understand the point being made - not about Trump - about the populace.

 

If you're saying because most folks lack the basic ability to think that one should never talk about anything related to Hitler then I'd argue that only exacerbates the issue.

 

I'm not going to pass on interesting discussion due to a majority of people not being able to understand said conversation. They can go read the "poop" threads.

 

I enjoy reading the political threads. It gets me to think about other views and ideas for the purpose of furthering what I know. I appreciate all the input.

 

....that said, sometimes the "poop" threads are good for a "temporary" respite from the world's realities!

Funny thing is that 8 years ago I thought that Obama's rise to power was very similar to Hitler's.

 

Took advantage of personal charisma, new media and a poor economy to gain power.

 

 

Apparently you perceive all of your woes in life to be Obama or Hillary's fault. There may be more to it than that. Regardless, I hope it gets better.

I might add that this anger is not a partisan phenomena. Trump is winning female and Hispanic voters.

 

Trump Wins Nevada With Latino And Women Voters

 

The fact that he is willing to call out The Bush Administration for its decision to invade Iraq as a response to 9/11 totally endears me to him.

 

Winning the republican female and Latino voters is a world apart from winning the independent female and Latino voters. Not going to happen.

Winning the republican female and Latino voters is a world apart from winning the independent female and Latino voters. Not going to happen.

 

People who have been hurt by Free Trade, Guest Worker Programs and just about any Veteran who needs post duty support/health care are going to vote Trump regardless of ideology.

 

A lot of folks also believed Trump would be an after thought by now!

People who have been hurt by Free Trade, Guest Worker Programs and just about any Veteran who needs post duty support/health care are going to vote Trump regardless of ideology.

 

A lot of folks also believed Trump would be an after thought by now!

 

Guilty as charged.

As to the interview with Chomsky, I don't see a reference or comparison to Hitler anywhere. I think his answer regarding people's feeling helpless in the face of "powerful forces that they do not understand and cannot influence" is basically the argument that I've been making - Trump and Sanders are born out of disaffection and where that disaffection is coming from ought not to be overlooked. I think the editors of the website might have used a bit of rhetorical sleight of hand to connect that to Hitler. Of course, I could be missing something.

 

Chomsky's response to the question about whether TBTF banks should be split up was refreshing: "The consequences should be carefully explored. I haven’t done so." I contrast that with the non-stop punditry on cable news channels where I'm certain if this question was posed to a commentator there they would have spouted out an answer with no hesitation and with utter certainty without having "carefully explored" anything other than their prospects of future booking.

As to the interview with Chomsky, I don't see a reference or comparison to Hitler anywhere. I think his answer regarding people's feeling helpless in the face of "powerful forces that they do not understand and cannot influence" is basically the argument that I've been making - Trump and Sanders are born out of disaffection and where that disaffection is coming from ought not to be overlooked. I think the editors of the website might have used a bit of rhetorical sleight of hand to connect that to Hitler. Of course, I could be missing something.

 

Thread title said "Hitler" in it. I'm amazed this one ever got off the ground at all. I appreciate your input and agree with a lot of what you said: the anti-establishment furor driving both Trump and Sanders is coming from somewhere, and that's worth exploring... but it was never really going to happen here.

Guilty as charged.

 

Same here.

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Chomsky's response to the question about whether TBTF banks should be split up was refreshing: "The consequences should be carefully explored. I haven’t done so." I contrast that with the non-stop punditry on cable news channels where I'm certain if this question was posed to a commentator there they would have spouted out an answer with no hesitation and with utter certainty without having "carefully explored" anything other than their prospects of future booking.

 

For all the bad you-know-who did in the 30s and early 40s, one thing he did was took on the central bank in Germany. In fact - government-issued money is what drove the 'German miracle'.

 

Central banks use to be debated as there are pros and cons. We seem to have accepted them and they now control most countries.

 

Trump took a shot at the Fed recently. Rand has called for an audit. But going to government issued money has not been talked about since Kennedy. And Lincolns government issued Greenbacks are long gone.

 

We seem to be stuck with the Fed's private bank money debt note and its oil-driven value.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/opinion/campaign-stops/is-donald-trump-a-fascist.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fcampaign-stops&action=click&contentCollection=campaign-stops&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront

 

Stumbled on this column from Ross Douthat, a conservative writer, where he assessed some of the arguments about labeling Trump a fascist. It was written in December, so Douthat's downplaying of Trump's chance of winning might have changed, but it's a measured and interesting take on it.

Not reading it. Comparisons of any American leader to Hitler are just lazy and have zero basis. We're talking about one of the most evil people in the history of the world. Trump is an arrogant jack-wagon, but he's not evil.

 

You should read it because you've completely misunderstood what he is saying. In no way is he comparing ANYONE to Hitler.

 

Saw two females last night on Facebook make the comparison of Trump to Hitler. Baffles my mind.

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Saw two females last night on Facebook make the comparison of Trump to Hitler. Baffles my mind.

 

What comparison did they make?

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