See the message above, I forgot to quote your original response.

That's because the phone was apparently erased of any chance to access its data only an hour after the device came into government custody. An unnamed person in the San Bernardino County government — likely an information technology employee — reset the Apple ID associated with the iPhone 5C in an attempt to access the data.

 

Apple: San Bernardino County screwed up the iPhone the FBI wants us to fix

That's because the phone was apparently erased of any chance to access its data only an hour after the device came into government custody. An unnamed person in the San Bernardino County government — likely an information technology employee — reset the Apple ID associated with the iPhone 5C in an attempt to access the data.

 

Apple: San Bernardino County screwed up the iPhone the FBI wants us to fix

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No no not at all. I am saying that if a terrorist used a Smith and Wesson gun, and the FBI wanted to check the Smith and Wesson data base to see if the terrorist or known accomplices to the terrorist had also purchased a gun, I would hope the Smith and Wesson would comply.

 

Why should they? You can buy a Smith and Wesson on the street as easily as you can an iphone.

If the Feds would have taken the phone to Apple they would have unlocked it. The Feds botched it and now want Apple to design them a code to hack iPhones. So about that...

Access to encrypted data is a factor of time, money and compute power. Most entities do not have access to all three in almost infinite amounts - except for the US government.

 

If the phone self destructs after so many attempts then it seems they should still be able to clone the original a million times and then brute force hack it. If all you 'really' want is access to that one phone that should do the job.

 

Any electronic communication is within reach of the government. Its just a matter of how much effort they want to put into un-encrypting it and analyzing it.

 

http://www.newsweek.com/what-cell-ls-those-ominous-phony-towers-268589

 

Snowden documents show NSA gathering 5bn cell phone records daily | US news | The Guardian

A list of known NSA spying techniques - Police State USA

Access to encrypted data is a factor of time, money and compute power. Most entities do not have access to all three in almost infinite amounts - except for the US government.

 

If the phone self destructs after so many attempts then it seems they should still be able to clone the original a million times and then brute force hack it. If all you 'really' want is access to that one phone that should do the job.

 

Any electronic communication is within reach of the government. Its just a matter of how much effort they want to put into un-encrypting it and analyzing it.

 

http://www.newsweek.com/what-cell-ls-those-ominous-phony-towers-268589

 

Snowden documents show NSA gathering 5bn cell phone records daily | US news | The Guardian

A list of known NSA spying techniques - Police State USA

 

From your last link:

 

 

• The NSA can access personal email, chat, and web browsing history. (Source)
  
• The NSA tracks the numbers of both parties on phone calls, their locations, as well as time and duration of the call. (Source)
  
• The NSA can monitor text messages. (Source)
  
• The NSA can monitor the data in smartphone applications. (Source)
  
• The NSA can crack cellphone encryption codes. (Source)
  
• The NSA can identify individuals’ friends, companions, and social networks. (Source)
  
• The NSA monitors financial transactions. (Source)
  
• The NSA monitors credit card purchases. (Source)
  
• The NSA intercepts troves of personal webcam video from innocent people. (Source)
  
• The NSA is working to crack all types of sophisticated computer encryption. (Source)
  
• The NSA monitors communications between online gamers. (*Word Filter Violation - Edit Your Post*[/b]*Word Filter Violation - Edit Your Post**Word Filter Violation - Edit Your Post**Word Filter Violation - Edit Your Post**Word Filter Violation - Edit Your Post**Word Filter Violation - Edit Your Post*.html"]Source)
  
• The NSA can set up fake Internet cafes to spy on unsuspecting users. (Source)
  
• The NSA can remotely access computers by setting up a fake wireless connection. (Source)
  
• The NSA can use radio waves to hack computers that aren’t connected to the internet. (Source)
  
• The NSA can set up fake social networking profiles on LinkedIn for spying purposes. (Source)
  
• The NSA undermines secure networks [Tor] by diverting users to non-secure channels. (Source)
  
• The NSA can intercept phone calls by setting up fake mobile telephony base stations. (Source)
  
• The NSA can install a fake SIM card in a cell phone to secretly control it. (Source)
  
• The NSA can physically intercept packages, open them, and alter electronic devices. (Source)
  
• The NSA makes a USB thumb drive that provides a wireless backdoor into the host computer. (Source)
  
• The NSA can set up stations on rooftops to monitor local cell phone communications. (Source)
  
• The NSA spies on text messages in China and can hack Chinese cell phones. (Source)
  
• The NSA spies on foreign leaders’ cell phones. (Source)
  
• The NSA intercepts meeting notes from foreign dignitaries. (Source)
  
• The NSA has hacked into the United Nations’ video conferencing system. (Source)
  
• The NSA can spy on ambassadors within embassies. (Source)
  
• The NSA can track hotel reservations to monitor lodging arrangements. (Source)
  
• The NSA can track communications within media organizations. (Source)
  
• The NSA can tap transoceanic fiber-optic cables. (Source)
  
• The NSA can intercept communications between aircraft and airports. (Source)
  

And:

 

“If a dictator ever took over, the NSA could enable it to impose a total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.”

 

“That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide.”

 

“I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge,” Senator Church said. “I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”

 

— U.S. Senator Frank Church, 1975

Issa was on some show today and said the could brute force hack the phone if they want. He indicated the requested program was just to 'make it easier'. Sounds right.

 

The NSA has had very advanced 'monitoring' capability for decades. They were recording all electronic communications in and out of the country in the 80s or earlier. Enhancing that capaibility and turning it inward from 'at the border' to 'inside the border' was probably not hard and just an evoluition of their original mission.

 

I know that the government will haul companies or individuals into court when they use encryption that is 'too strong' for easy decyphering for international transmissions.

Access to encrypted data is a factor of time, money and compute power. Most entities do not have access to all three in almost infinite amounts - except for the US government.

 

If the phone self destructs after so many attempts then it seems they should still be able to clone the original a million times and then brute force hack it. If all you 'really' want is access to that one phone that should do the job.

 

Any electronic communication is within reach of the government. Its just a matter of how much effort they want to put into un-encrypting it and analyzing it.

 

http://www.newsweek.com/what-cell-ls-those-ominous-phony-towers-268589

 

Snowden documents show NSA gathering 5bn cell phone records daily | US news | The Guardian

A list of known NSA spying techniques - Police State USA

 

Even if you know the algorithm used, it still takes a tremendous amount of computing power to decipher the key. AES, DES, or Blowfish in their various iterations can generate 512 bit encryption keys that would take Tianhe-2 six months to a year to decipher.

Even if you know the algorithm used, it still takes a tremendous amount of computing power to decipher the key. AES, DES, or Blowfish in their various iterations can generate 512 bit encryption keys that would take Tianhe-2 six months to a year to decipher.

 

Assuming they can simulate the microcode in the chipsets they could do some brute force in massive parrellel approach. When you measure your compute power by the 100s of acres there is not much that is 'unhackable'.

 

They really hate when things are 'too locked'.

A judge sides with Apple in first court challenge.

 

[uPDATED] Magistrate Judge Orenstein’s order in the EDNY, denying DOJ’s All Writs Act request . . . | Just Security

FBI hacks into terrorist’s iPhone without Apple

FBI hacks into terrorist’s iPhone without Apple

 

Seems to confirm many suspicions this was about getting Apple to create a backdoor (or to create the legal ability to demand it) than it was about this one phone. If they had the ability to hack it all along - and many tech experts have been saying this since the start - then what other reason did they have to challenge Apple over it?