October 30, 201510 yr Another crybaby conservative giving an opinion on the debate : Even veteran liberal journalist Carl Bernstein slammed CNBC, trashing the cable channel’s handling of Wednesday’s debate as “reprehensible.” The Watergate-era author appeared on CNN and fumed, “More than anything... CNBC was really reprehensible.” I hate to disclose this information, because it hurts your narrative, but the talking media heads who work for CNBC for the most part are decidedly right of center.
October 30, 201510 yr Don't anyone ask for cake , someone already took it .... :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: In the history of BGP's that might be the funniest thing ever . Cnbc = right of center . Man , thats just good stuff.
October 30, 201510 yr CNN host smacks down GOP debate whining: CNBC asked the same questions as Fox News
October 30, 201510 yr CNN host smacks down GOP debate whining: CNBC asked the same questions as Fox News Well, as we all know, CNN is a bunch of unwashed tree-hugging pinkos. Can't believe anything that bunch says.:thumb:
October 30, 201510 yr Heck if Michael Smerconish said it was fair I might change my mind . In further news the R party told the jack wagons " no thanks " at NBC and cancelled the debate that was scheduled in the upcoming months .
October 30, 201510 yr CNN host smacks down GOP debate whining: CNBC asked the same questions as Fox News I'd be happy to post links to the multitude of articles from conservative and liberal sources saying otherwise rather than rely on a liberal talking head but instead I'll just ask you. Is he right? Have you read the transcripts? What questions are the same?
October 30, 201510 yr No I'm not making that name up , evidently some people might care about his opinion .
October 30, 201510 yr I'd be happy to post links to the multitude of articles from conservative and liberal sources saying otherwise rather than rely on a liberal talking head but instead I'll just ask you. Is he right? Have you read the transcripts? What questions are the same? Looks like he is saying that the questions were similar, but that the candidates approached them much differently. For those that watched all of both debates (Fox and CNBC), I would post this decision tree: A. Were the questions indeed similar? 2. If so, were they posed by those nasty moderators in a more confrontational style? D. Were they responded to in a decidedly different style the second time around? If they were not substantively similar, no need to answer the second and third questions.
October 30, 201510 yr We found several falsehoods and misleading claims in the Democratic candidates’ first debate: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton revised her earlier statement on the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal, claiming that she said she “hoped” it would be a “gold standard.” At the time, she said it was a gold standard. Sen. Bernie Sanders claimed that his plan to lift the cap on income subject to Social Security taxes would extend the program’s finances and expand benefits. He neglected to mention that the new taxes would not be used to calculate benefits for those paying them, a break from historical practice. Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley claimed that “70 percent of us are earning the same, or less than we were 12 years ago.” Not true. Average weekly earnings for rank-and-file workers are up 5.8 percent. Former Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee said that his state “had the biggest drop of the unemployment rate over my four budgets of all but one state.” Actually, four states had larger percentage point drops, and 10 states had larger percentage declines over his tenure. Sanders claimed that African American youth unemployment was 51 percent, but that figure pertains to underemployment, which includes those working part-time and looking for full-time work. Clinton claimed that “we lose 90 people a day from gun violence.” That’s true, but only a third of those deaths are from homicides. Sanders wrongly said that the U.S. had “more wealth and income inequality than any other country.” The U.S. ranks 42nd in income inequality and 16th in terms of wealth held by the top 1 percent. Clinton said that using a personal email account “was allowed by the State Department.” It was, but federal rules also required Clinton to turn over her emails before she left office. She did so nearly two years after she left. Not as thorough as the GOP, but ....
October 30, 201510 yr Don't anyone ask for cake , someone already took it .... :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: In the history of BGP's that might be the funniest thing ever . Cnbc = right of center . Man , thats just good stuff. I'm talking CNBC, not MSNBC. Rick Santelli has several of his anti-government rants on youtube. Larry Kudlow during his time at CNBC was one of the biggest free-market conservatives on the air. And then there's Jim Cramer. On and on. I don't see any socialists covering Wall Street on CNBC. Don't think the advertisers would like that. What's really, really funny about debates 1 and 3 is that the Repubs thought Fox and the right-of-center moderators at CNBC would toss a lot of softball questions their way. Whoops!
October 30, 201510 yr The gravest sin of the moderators was incompetence. I didn't find their questions terribly different from other debates, but their justification for them and attempts at follow-ups and managing the exchanges were bizarrely off key. Lastly, I never watch CNBC but I watched their "pre-game" and I thought their personalities were going to go to blows over who was the most conservative. There wasn't a hint of objectivity. It would have made Roger Ailes blush. Then during the debate the candidates were teeing off about the network being the "liberal media." It was an odd juxtaposition. So, once again. Is our friend Habib way off base here?
October 30, 201510 yr Off the top of my head I didn't find the questions any more superficial or outlandish than those asked in other debates. Megyn Kelly opened the Fox debate by asking Trump about his various comments about women, which is probably more of an antagonistic question than he got from CNBC, which was whether his plans to build a wall and cut taxes by $10T were realistic. CNN was pretty explicit that they wanted the candidates to tee off on each other by continually bringing up what each candidate had said about another one. I think the key difference is the Fox and CNN moderators were better at their jobs and managed the exchanges better. The moderators at the CNBC debate couldn't contain cross talk, couldn't manage who was allowed to respond to who and when, asked pressing follow-up questions to some candidates and accepted others' answers. The moderators themselves were even yelling over each other. It was a mess. Once Cruz blasted them it turned into an all-out assault on them and they had no effective response (and we can't forget that Cruz's theatrics amounted to a filibuster of a substantive question over the budget deal, which after his time ran out he accused the moderators of not letting him answer). Trump skated by on a question about his positions on H-1B immigration by blaming the media. As I said earlier the moderator was correct but she couldn't articulate it. Christie was pressed by a moderator to be more specific in one of his answers and he retorted to big applause about how the moderator was rude even by Jersey standards. Rubio got a big applause line when asked about competing with the Democrats by saying the media was their Super PAC. It turned into the theme of the night and the moderators didn't push back.
October 30, 201510 yr I've just finished reading the transcripts of every R and D debate and I disagree with Habib that the questions were similar. Questions most certainly were different. He is correct that the moderators were incompetent and in my opinion it was because they were too intent on trying to trip the candidates up rather than elicit an answer that could be debated. My God, it was worse than I thought. Too much to cover so I'll just recommend everyone interested go back and do the same. There is good reason why condemning these moderators has been a non partisan effort.
October 30, 201510 yr So, once again. Is our friend Habib way off base here? I found Habib's analysis extremely accurate.
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