I believe they are as follows:

 

1) Public endorsement from the House Freedom Caucus;

2) a re-writing of the House rules as they currently exist amending the now-infamous "motion to vacate the chair" nearly used against John Boehner;

3) a guarantee that he will be allowed to delegate some of the speaker's travel and fundraising duties so that he can still spend time in Wisconsin with his family.

 

Thanks. At first glance that doesn't look particularly onerous. Then again I could be overestimating the traction the "vacate the chair" rule has. My hunch was that Ryan doesn't want to be Speaker and instead of turning up his nose at it he's simply offered a list of conditions that won't be met.

 

And after reading Clyde's link I'm less inclined to believe the "Freedom Caucus" will agree to these conditions.

Is it time for the tea party to stand as a full autonomous party and move the country to a 3 party system where we have super liberal democrats, super conservative tea party, and moderate republicans?

Nah He's from the thriving metropolis of Garrison .

 

Oh, I know who Rep. Massie is.:thumb:

 

Here's all I need to know:

 

In December 2013, he was the only congressman to vote against the Undetectable Firearms Act.^[42]

Is it time for the tea party to stand as a full autonomous party and move the country to a 3 party system where we have super liberal democrats, super conservative tea party, and moderate republicans?

 

We don't have nearly enough moderate republicans to do that. In reality right now we have a majority of the democrats on the left, a handful of moderate democrats, another handful of moderate republicans, a whole lot of staunchly conservative republicans, and then some ultra-conservative tea party republicans thrown in as well.

We don't have nearly enough moderate republicans to do that. In reality right now we have a majority of the democrats on the left, a handful of moderate democrats, another handful of moderate republicans, a whole lot of staunchly conservative republicans, and then some ultra-conservative tea party republicans thrown in as well.

 

I'm talking about all the moderate democrats and all the moderate republicans in one party together. You can name it whatever you want.

Is it time for the tea party to stand as a full autonomous party and move the country to a 3 party system where we have super liberal democrats, super conservative tea party, and moderate republicans?

 

There's no room for a third-party in our system. The most that could happen under that scenario would be that the "Tea Party" would branch off for one election, get it out of their system, then rejoin the Republican fold after seeing the dramatic gains made by the Democratic party.

Thanks. At first glance that doesn't look particularly onerous. Then again I could be overestimating the traction the "vacate the chair" rule has. My hunch was that Ryan doesn't want to be Speaker and instead of turning up his nose at it he's simply offered a list of conditions that won't be met.

 

It was my first thought as well. I also agree with you that Ryan doesn't want to be speaker -- he wants to be president -- and spending time as speaker will make a successful presidential run all but impossible.

 

I think the Freedom Caucus that he wants the endorsement of will be exactly the folks opposed to amending the "motion to vacate" rule as they view it as a way for them as a minority caucus to exercise influence. I don't know how it's going to shake out.

There's no room for a third-party in our system. The most that could happen under that scenario would be that the "Tea Party" would branch off for one election, get it out of their system, then rejoin the Republican fold after seeing the dramatic gains made by the Democratic party.

 

If we do, it has to start local. One supremely likable Republican or Democrat splits from his party... an incumbent would help... and leads a third party in just one Congressional district. If that guy can build enough momentum for his policies and strategies in one district, then maybe he can find supporters and an ally in another.

 

It's still all VERY difficult in a system without proportional representation.

It was my first thought as well. I also agree with you that Ryan doesn't want to be speaker -- he wants to be president -- and spending time as speaker will make a successful presidential run all but impossible.

 

I think the Freedom Caucus that he wants the endorsement of will be exactly the folks opposed to amending the "motion to vacate" rule as they view it as a way for them as a minority caucus to exercise influence. I don't know how it's going to shake out.

 

Agreed. I'm sort of selfishly hoping his candidacy will be torpedoed. Realistically, his terms are mostly reasonable and the only way a new speaker could be effective under the circumstance and he's probably the only person with enough clout with either faction to be supported. So, if he doesn't work out it will be extremely interesting to see what happens.

Agreed. I'm sort of selfishly hoping his candidacy will be torpedoed. Realistically, his terms are mostly reasonable and the only way a new speaker could be effective under the circumstance and he's probably the only person with enough clout with either faction to be supported. So, if he doesn't work out it will be extremely interesting to see what happens.

 

I understand the Freedom Caucus' objections to amending the "motion to vacate the chair" rule though. It's quite possibly the only motion to take a vote that the speaker can't block. Any member of the house can make it at any time and it's essentially a "no confidence" vote on the speaker. If every Democrat then voted in favor of a caucus member's motion, then they'd only need something in the neighborhood of 30 of their 40 members to vote in favor to get the simple majority needed to unseat a speaker.

 

That's a lot of power to give up.

FWIW:

 

Matt Fuller ‏@MEPFuller Raul Labrador just called one of Paul Ryan's conditions — eliminating the motion to vacate the chair — "a non-starter."

 

Matt Fuller @MEPFuller I ask Labrador if he sees 4/5ths of HFC [House Freedom Caucus] supporting Ryan if he eliminates the motion to vacate the chair. "I don't see 1/5th," Labrador says.

To IAM4THECATS ----- I'd call it the minority party ... LOL

Ryan is being pushed hard to accept. His demands almost make it sound like he doesn't really want the gig. If he gets it , he will take a lot of power with him and centralize it.

 

Oh yes, the man who apposes the family leave act, but just told DC to leave him alone right now so he can spend time with his family issues.

Sounds like Ryan got enough approval from the Freedom Caucus to proceed. They didn't flat out endorse him but they gave him enough positives that he's still interested.

Sounds like Ryan got enough approval from the Freedom Caucus to proceed. They didn't flat out endorse him but they gave him enough positives that he's still interested.

 

The Caucus won't formally endorse him but rather has said that "a majority of its members support him". They also won't agree to the change in rules but have said that they'll consider it later.

 

If Ryan takes the speaker job after that, then his first unofficial act on the job has been to get run over by the Freedom Caucus and he's setting himself in a position to end up just like John Boehner.