August 16, 201511 yr Not even close to being a true statement. Where in the world did you come up with this at? Here http://www.bestplaces.net/religion/state/kentucky http://www.city-data.com/states/Kentucky-Religions.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kentucky
August 16, 201511 yr Author I can tell you all this.....you better not believe everything you read. Google is good, but everything on the internet is not true....
August 17, 201511 yr But this is putting religion into it. Roman Catholics look at this as a mortal sin. It can't get anymore religious actually. It is telling the Roman Catholics to assist in what they believe to be an immoral act. Again, not what I believe, but it does force them to go against their religious beliefs etc. as far as trumping other people's rights, some would say Roman Cathilics rights are being trumped and there isn't a separation of Church and state which is a constitutional right. No one is forcing her to stay at a job that she doesn't agree with.
August 17, 201511 yr Not even close to being a true statement. Where in the world did you come up with this at? I think he mistook Kentucky for South Carolina. Here http://www.bestplaces.net/religion/state/kentucky http://www.city-data.com/states/Kentucky-Religions.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kentucky I can tell you all this.....you better not believe everything you read. Google is good, but everything on the internet is not true.... I did in fact consult Wikipedia. I felt pretty strong with the data they had about it, considering it came from the Association of Relgion Data Archives, which is pretty well-respected, with research being done by many of the country's top religious scholars. I'm sure they have an agenda, though, of inflating the Baptist population in this state. I also use my own personal observations that come from driving all up and down this state. During my travels, I usually see 10 Baptist churches for every one of some other Christian sect.
August 17, 201511 yr I can tell you all this.....you better not believe everything you read. Google is good, but everything on the internet is not true.... What about that French model I have a date with tomorrow?
August 17, 201511 yr No one is forcing her to stay at a job that she doesn't agree with. That is a lame argument. That is like saying nothing is forcing the "Blacklivesmatter" folks from staying in this country. If they don't like it then get out. Again, it simply comes down to Seperation of church and statr. Also she got the job BEFORE this "law" was created.
August 17, 201511 yr That is a lame argument. That is like saying nothing is forcing the "Blacklivesmatter" folks from staying in this country. If they don't like it then get out. Again, it simply comes down to Seperation of church and statr. Also she got the job BEFORE this "law" was created. It is your opinion that the argument is "lame." Jobs change and if you don't agree with what you are being asked to do, you leave. I did. What law was created?
August 17, 201511 yr It is your opinion that the argument is "lame." Jobs change and if you don't agree with what you are being asked to do, you leave. I did. What law was created? To allow same sex marriage licenses. Are you saying they don't have to? Then what is this thread about? Again, seperation of church and state used to actually hold up in a court of law.
August 17, 201511 yr No one is forcing her to stay at a job that she doesn't agree with. And apparently, no one is forcing her to leave her job.
August 17, 201511 yr The word bigot has been tossed around a couple of times in this thread and many times in other threads that dealt with a similar topic. Just so we understand what is being said, here is a definition of the word "bigot." bigot - a person who is utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from his own. Just for the fun of it, here's the definition of another term that is relevant to this discussion. marriage - the social institution under which a man and a woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc. All definitions used in this post are from Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language copyright 1989.
August 17, 201511 yr To allow same sex marriage licenses. Are you saying they don't have to? Then what is this thread about? Again, seperation of church and state used to actually hold up in a court of law. No new law was created. Existing laws were ruled unconstitutional. Wouldn't this be exactly separation of church and state? She works for the government. She chose that job and no one is forcing her to stay. However, if she stays, she is expected to do her job.
August 17, 201511 yr I also use my own personal observations that come from driving all up and down this state. During my travels, I usually see 10 Baptist churches for every one of some other Christian sect. Baptist churches, being congregational in government, have a tendency to multiply through splitting. Let's say one group in the Baptist church of one small town didn't like the new carpet so they split off and form a new church :walk:. Though there is now twice the number of Baptist churches in said small town, the number of Baptists remains the same (be sure to read the small print). This example is entirely fictional and may or may not represent a church near you :banana:
August 17, 201511 yr No new law was created. Existing laws were ruled unconstitutional. Wouldn't this be exactly separation of church and state? She works for the government. She chose that job and no one is forcing her to stay. However, if she stays, she is expected to do her job. So if she isn't breaking the "Law" by refusing to issue the certificates, then why is she in trouble and may have to go to court? Unless it is a civil court, there would be some type of law being broken I would think. Please clarify that for me please, I'm trying to understand. The Supreme court hears cases and must interpret them as far as what the law and constitution says. They don't hear cases based on a companies internal office memos unless they have to do with legal issues...which are laws etc. I looked up exactly what the role of the Supreme court is and here is what I found: The Surpreme Court can tell Congress that a law it passed violated the U.S. Constitution and is, therefore, no longer a law. It can also tell the government of a state that one of its laws breaks a rule in the Constitution. The Supreme Court is the final judge in all cases involving laws of Congress, and the highest law of all — the Constitution. And to answer your question about seperation etc. She was already hired as the clerk BEFORE the LAW was changed to allow same sex marriage certificates. Therefor the seperation of church and state was violated AFTER she was already employed. With that being said, I wonder if we are barking up the wrong tree as far as legality issues....maybe it isn't seperation of church and state I'm thinking of but more of something along the lines of The anti-discrimination laws we should be talking about. Edited August 17, 201511 yr by Hellbird
August 17, 201511 yr So if she isn't breaking the "Law" by refusing to issue the certificates, then why is she in trouble and may have to go to court? Unless it is a civil court, there would be some type of law being broken I would think. Please clarify that for me please, I'm trying to understand. The Supreme court hears cases and must interpret them as far as what the law and constitution says. They don't hear cases based on a companies internal office memos unless they have to do with legal issues...which are laws etc. I looked up exactly what the role of the Supreme court is and here is what I found: The Surpreme Court can tell Congress that a law it passed violated the U.S. Constitution and is, therefore, no longer a law. It can also tell the government of a state that one of its laws breaks a rule in the Constitution. The Supreme Court is the final judge in all cases involving laws of Congress, and the highest law of all — the Constitution. And to answer your question about seperation etc. She was already hired as the clerk BEFORE the LAW was changed to allow same sex marriage certificates. Therefor the seperation of church and state was violated AFTER she was already employed. With that being said, I wonder if we are barking up the wrong tree as far as legality issues....maybe it isn't seperation of church and state I'm thinking of but more of something along the lines of The anti-discrimination laws we should be talking about. I didn't "bark up any tree" about separation of church and state. That was you. Clearly, she is a government employee and doesn't expect to have to comply with upholding the government's laws. Clearly, this is a classic example OF separation of church and state. If she is so into "traditional marriage" (she must be, she married traditionally four times) and can't perform her job, then she should resign.
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