August 16, 201511 yr And I'm sorry, but for someone like the Clerk of Rowan Co. to claim she's being discriminated against just rings hollow to me, considering the mess of 5,683,657 different Christian sects have been able to use their religion to keep others under their thumb for decades in this country. Under that thumb includes Catholics, for you NoKy and L'ville folks who are wanting to forget things. Nothing about ultra-conservative judge David Bunning's ruling is keeping her from practicing her religion every darned night she chooses to go to church. Anybody with a brain knew this was eventually coming, from the SC or Congress or otherwise, and it's not gay people's fault, nor the federal government's fault, that she wanted to keep her head in some wacky patch of sand that tells her queers aren't entitled to the same rights as her, and that she'd never have to deal with something so atrocious when she took that oath of office. Sorry but I see it totally different. Again I'm not saying she is right or wrong. But you misunderstood everything I've said. You are talking about Christian persecution onto others etc when this has nothing to do with any of that. I don't know what your religious views are but you sound full of hate toward Christians. You ignore how groups have fought to have the word God removed from anything and everything. You forget how the commandments have been forced to be taken down from everywhere. You forget about the stupid garbage about how people can't even say Merry Christmas even though that holiday is a religious holiday and not a national one Etc. No one is telling you to do something against your religois beliefs and all she is saying is she shouldn't have to perform something against hers. Seems like the exact same things atheist have fought for and won for decades in this country and now the shoe is in the other foot and the uproar is pretty funny if you ask me.
August 16, 201511 yr A - if those that want to be married all simply go to an adjacent county, the issue never becomes "ripe" for adjudication. Courts do not answer "hypothetical questions." In order to get the suit filed OR the contempt motion, they had to seek the license in Rowan Co. and get rejected. Whether they could drive 10 or 15 minutes to get a license elsewhere is irrelevant. Presume they took the cameras with them to prove they were denied. Suspect they also let the media know they were going to do it so they could be there. Good strategy. B - any argument about making her withstand a recall vote misunderstands our governmental system. Could a clerk be elected in some southern states on the stance that they wouldn't issue licenses to inter-racial couples, divorcees, Muslims, etc.? If elected, would that mean they could enforce that position? Obviously not. Same is now true for same sex couples. The Supreme Court says it is a fundamental right and cannot be infringed upon. Election results have NO impact. C - @plantmanky is wrong with his numerous comments about enabling legislation. The Supreme Court has ruled more than simply that the KY law is unconstitutional. The SC has decreed that it is a fundamental constitutional right for same sex couples to be married. That does not need enabling legislation from the KY legislature. Did the students in AL have to wait for the AL legislature to pass a law directing their schools to be integrated? Nope.
August 16, 201511 yr Why do you have to bring a specific religion into it ? Is that not a similar slur ? No, not really, when you consider most of this state adheres to the Baptist faith, and the fact that the laws of this state have historically been written by Baptists. It's why there are still dry counties in Ky.
August 16, 201511 yr The point is still the same. If you really want to be married right now, drive 15 minutes to Olive Hill and do the deed. You don't need a production crew or 10 cameras to make it happen. The more attention that this bigot gets the better as it will eventually lead to her not holding her position soon, as well points out the discrimination. The point is no one should have to drive to another county. If she was refusing a license for an inter racial marriage would you still say "just drive to the next county"? She is wrong and everyone has the right to get married in any county that they want.
August 16, 201511 yr We probably solved that one several years ago So it's not applicable here for comparison?
August 16, 201511 yr No, not really, when you consider most of this state adheres to the Baptist faith, and the fact that the laws of this state have historically been written by Baptists. It's why there are still dry counties in Ky. Global assumptions, irrespective, it is still a slur when you put it in the context of your statement. Prejudice takes on many faces, it's the mirror that we often fail to look into
August 16, 201511 yr A - if those that want to be married all simply go to an adjacent county, the issue never becomes "ripe" for adjudication. Courts do not answer "hypothetical questions." In order to get the suit filed OR the contempt motion, they had to seek the license in Rowan Co. and get rejected. Whether they could drive 10 or 15 minutes to get a license elsewhere is irrelevant. Presume they took the cameras with them to prove they were denied. Suspect they also let the media know they were going to do it so they could be there. Good strategy. B - any argument about making her withstand a recall vote misunderstands our governmental system. Could a clerk be elected in some southern states on the stance that they wouldn't issue licenses to inter-racial couples, divorcees, Muslims, etc.? If elected, would that mean they could enforce that position? Obviously not. Same is now true for same sex couples. The Supreme Court says it is a fundamental right and cannot be infringed upon. Election results have NO impact. C - @plantmanky is wrong with his numerous comments about enabling legislation. The Supreme Court has ruled more than simply that the KY law is unconstitutional. The SC has decreed that it is a fundamental constitutional right for same sex couples to be married. That does not need enabling legislation from the KY legislature. Did the students in AL have to wait for the AL legislature to pass a law directing their schools to be integrated? Nope. ….and of course, we all know that every ruling that comes down from the Supreme Court should be beholden to all Citizens in America, because they make the rules…or is that another branch of government, I forget. America, last time I checked, still allows for challenges to Supreme Court rulings, they can go on for decades because people disagree with them….or is that just a fundamental misunderstanding of our governmental system ?
August 16, 201511 yr So it's not applicable here for comparison? No, it was just more fun to comment on other posts to be totally honest
August 16, 201511 yr The more attention that this bigot gets the better as it will eventually lead to her not holding her position soon, as well points out the discrimination. The point is no one should have to drive to another county. If she was refusing a license for an inter racial marriage would you still say "just drive to the next county"? She is wrong and everyone has the right to get married in any county that they want. Bigot is a pretty strong word. What at if there was a law just created that said during the Christmas Holiday that every county clerk could not issue a marriage license unless the couple attend pre marriage counseling by a Catholic Priest. Would that mean any clerk that refused to force people requesting the license is a bigot? Again, I am not against same sex marriage. I am simply pointing out the hypocriscy when it comes to religious rights in this country.
August 16, 201511 yr Author No, not really, when you consider most of this state adheres to the Baptist faith, and the fact that the laws of this state have historically been written by Baptists. It's why there are still dry counties in Ky. Not even close to being a true statement. Where in the world did you come up with this at?
August 16, 201511 yr Not even close to being a true statement. Where in the world did you come up with this at? I think he mistook Kentucky for South Carolina.
August 16, 201511 yr What at if there was a law just created that said during the Christmas Holiday that every county clerk could not issue a marriage license unless the couple attend pre marriage counseling by a Catholic Priest. Would that mean any clerk that refused to force people requesting the license is a bigot? Apples and Oranges
August 16, 201511 yr Apples and Oranges Not really. One is forcing a person who practices their religion and religious values to do something against her religion and the other one is forcing someone with religious values to do something against their religious beliefs and values.
August 16, 201511 yr Not really. One is forcing a person who practices their religion and religious values to do something against her religion and the other one is forcing someone with religious values to do something against their religious beliefs and values. Actually, yes it is. One is the right to marry, that same sex couples have. The other is not only putting religion into it, you are now putting a certain faith into it. And again, no one is forcing her to do anything, if she won't do her job, she needs to either step down or be held in contempt and her rear end thrown in jail. Her religious views do not trump other peoples rights.
August 16, 201511 yr Actually, yes it is. One is the right to marry, that same sex couples have. The other is not only putting religion into it, you are now putting a certain faith into it. And again, no one is forcing her to do anything, if she won't do her job, she needs to either step down or be held in contempt and her rear end thrown in jail. Her religious views do not trump other peoples rights. But this is putting religion into it. Roman Catholics look at this as a mortal sin. It can't get anymore religious actually. It is telling the Roman Catholics to assist in what they believe to be an immoral act. Again, not what I believe, but it does force them to go against their religious beliefs etc. as far as trumping other people's rights, some would say Roman Cathilics rights are being trumped and there isn't a separation of Church and state which is a constitutional right.
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