The other night on Lex sports radio, Drake Jackson, Landon Young, Kash Daniel were all hosts. And they all agreed the camp/ combines are where you wanna go to be noticed. A kid from small Paintsville went from an unranked, mid major player to top 100 in the nation(247) after a Rivals Camp performance.

What I'm getting at is that the college talent evaluation process is flawed and biased. High school program of origin is one of those biases.

 

High school program is not a bias that affects an offer. Playing in a state title game isn't going to get a kid an offer. A great experience? Yes. A scholarship offer? No. The only bias is size, speed, agility and talent. Either the kid is good enough, or he is not. Recruiters have been wrong multiple times as it is not an exact science, but they have been right a lot more than they have been wrong. Look at these two lists and explain the school bias. They strong lists of players that have "IT" from a very diverse list of high schools.

 

2015 Football Top Kentucky Recruits

 

2016 Football Top Kentucky Recruits

If a kid can play at the SEC, Big Ten FBS level he will be found. If you can play FCS you may have to be found. Your HS team isn't going to change that. If you can play FBS you will start on any team in KY. Go to camps and send out film. If you have the size/speed Schools will find you.

Yep. There aren't many falling through the cracks. For the most part, if you're not playing D1, there's a reason. In all honesty, there are probably more D1 spots available than there are true D1 players. A lot of people want to believe that their kid (or even themselves) could have played D1 if "they had gotten a chance". Sorry, but that's just not really true. And that doesn't mean you're not a good football player. It just takes a unique alignment of the stars (size, talent, brains, speed etc) to really make it at that level.

Yep. There aren't many falling through the cracks. For the most part, if you're not playing D1, there's a reason. In all honesty, there are probably more D1 spots available than there are true D1 players. A lot of people want to believe that their kid (or even themselves) could have played D1 if "they had gotten a chance". Sorry, but that's just not really true. And that doesn't mean you're not a good football player. It just takes a unique alignment of the stars (size, talent, brains, speed etc) to really make it at that level.

I disagree. Albeit, I wouldn't necessarily say they are all "falling thought the cracks", but you can go to many D2, D3 or NAIA programs and find players that could play, compete, and start at D1 programs. Some chose a small school on their own accord, some did not receive D1 interest, some did not receive the D1 interest they wanted.

 

The "D1 players will be found" argument, is one of the biggest lies in college recruiting. The players have to have make themselves "findable". I have witnessed too many players waiting to be "found" and miss out. Again, I use the example of Nick Sither, at Georgetown, if he is able to compete for a position in the NFL, he is good enough to play at the D1 level, but for some reason he played at the NAIA level. There are many such stories that occur every year, just like there are many stories of D1 players that never get a change to compete for a position in the NFL. Which, shouldn't happen if we extrapolate the argument that D1 players are much more talented then other levels of college play.

In 2014 8 NAIA players signed with NfL teams 0 drafted. Very few. Sure some are missed just not that many.

 

In 2014 24 FCS players were drafted and around 100 signed with teams.

Let's ask the question this way.

How many D1 scholarship players have come out of Bellevue, Dayton, Ludlow, Newport, Brossart, Pendleton co, or Bracken in recent years?

 

Kash Daniel plays at Paintsville. Your premise is false. Has been false. Will be false in the future.

 

The NKY teams do not do their players justice. Kash was seen on the national level in Middle School and got his name out and noticed.

I disagree. Albeit, I wouldn't necessarily say they are all "falling thought the cracks", but you can go to many D2, D3 or NAIA programs and find players that could play, compete, and start at D1 programs. Some chose a small school on their own accord, some did not receive D1 interest, some did not receive the D1 interest they wanted.

 

The "D1 players will be found" argument, is one of the biggest lies in college recruiting. The players have to have make themselves "findable". I have witnessed too many players waiting to be "found" and miss out. Again, I use the example of Nick Sither, at Georgetown, if he is able to compete for a position in the NFL, he is good enough to play at the D1 level, but for some reason he played at the NAIA level. There are many such stories that occur every year, just like there are many stories of D1 players that never get a change to compete for a position in the NFL. Which, shouldn't happen if we extrapolate the argument that D1 players are much more talented then other levels of college play.

 

I did say "for the most part". There are certainly a few that do fall through the cracks, or for whatever reason have the talent to play D1 and don't. Go to any highly ranked D3, D2, or NAIA school and you are likely to find at least few guys that have transferred in from a D1 school (for whatever reason). And while there are always a few D2, D3 and NAIA players that do end up in the NFL, the odds are certainly stacked against those guys actually making it. And the number that go on to be stars, is extremely low. Heck odds of playing in the NFL coming from a D1 school are very, very low. Still, the number of legit, high level, D1 guys NOT playing D1 is very low, although, obviously, they do exist.

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In 2014 8 NAIA players signed with NfL teams 0 drafted. Very few. Sure some are missed just not that many.

 

In 2014 24 FCS players were drafted and around 100 signed with teams.

 

And how many of those actually made a roster??

The other night on Lex sports radio, Drake Jackson, Landon Young, Kash Daniel were all hosts. And they all agreed the camp/ combines are where you wanna go to be noticed. A kid from small Paintsville went from an unranked, mid major player to top 100 in the nation(247) after a Rivals Camp performance.

 

Hmm. You mean kids that have actually been through the process? Yet some will still argue that HS football tape matters. It's a piece. But in the grand scheme it's irrelevant. It's summer camps for football. It's high level select travel baseball. It's AAU hoops. That's where coaches are. You guys that think summer camps are money grabbers are partially correct, because there are dads everywhere that thinks Jr can go ply at Ohio State or Alabama and keeps shelling out the dough. For the true D1 athlete, they are the basis for recognition. HS sports are a dinosaur when discussing recruiting. No way Kash Daniels get recruited out of Paintsville. Not by SEC schools. He went to camp, and his testimonial tells you what did it for him. Yet some continue to live under a rock and argue.

Despite the overwhelming consensus against my position, I still say that playing in championship games gets you a lot more exposure than not. Furthermore, camps are largely a waste of time if A) you are not invited and B) only the host program is present.

 

Recruiting at D1 level is all about the numbers, and every single one, except height can be manipulated by training. Many kids don't get there by 16, which is the age many are evaluated, but by 19, bang, they get there. That is why post high school graduate programs exist.

Let's ask the question this way.

How many D1 scholarship players have come out of Bellevue, Dayton, Ludlow, Newport, Brossart, Pendleton co, or Bracken in recent years?

 

To answer your question that goes with this thread. The reason why those schools basically have no shot to have a d1 athlete these days is because of how things are today. Parents do believe going to a bigger school would help, when in reality it may barely in crease their chances by maybe 1 percent. You can't say coaching either, because some coaches who are now at big schools started out at small schools.

 

Ludlow for example had a d1 athlete back in 1975 in Jim Lokesak, and they won a state title. Ryan McKenzie was a d1 player in 1999 and that was probably the second best Ludlow team ever and was tied with Beechwood 0 to 0 in the 4th in the playoffs and Beechwood win the title.

 

If a player is talented enough they will get noticed. However in today's world parents don't seem to believe that and send kids to known programs. Even though those known programs rarely produce d1 athletes either. So yes it is the belief of parents that going to certain schools get you noticed, but it really is not that true.

Despite the overwhelming consensus against my position, I still say that playing in championship games gets you a lot more exposure than not. Furthermore, camps are largely a waste of time if A) you are not invited and B) only the host program is present.

 

Recruiting at D1 level is all about the numbers, and every single one, except height can be manipulated by training. Many kids don't get there by 16, which is the age many are evaluated, but by 19, bang, they get there. That is why post high school graduate programs exist.

 

Camps are not a waste of time or money if you truly have a kid who is talented enough to play d1. However the majority of kids who go to the camps are probably not true d1 talent just very good high school players. So it ends up being a waste of money for most. However for the ones who are truly talented enough it does help more and raises your status.

Despite the overwhelming consensus against my position, I still say that playing in championship games gets you a lot more exposure than not. Furthermore, camps are largely a waste of time if A) you are not invited and B) only the host program is present.

 

Recruiting at D1 level is all about the numbers, and every single one, except height can be manipulated by training. Many kids don't get there by 16, which is the age many are evaluated, but by 19, bang, they get there. That is why post high school graduate programs exist.

 

Could not disagree more!! Camps are necessary until camps aren't necessary (you can figure out what I'm saying). The key thing for players and particularly parents is to be extremely selective. I have read in other posts in other threads that this player was "invited" to come to this camp. Let me be perfectly clear, getting something in the mail or a coach telling you to "come to camp" (without the premise of an offer) is meaningless unless you are going there for the purpose of being seen by another coach from another school that has been invited to a camp as an instructor which is why I state to be particular about what camps you go to and how many campers will be there and IF JC players are invited also.

To prove my point, I won't use the name, but a QB at a Big Ten school was personally invited by the OC of this particular school and was told that if he wanted an offer he MUST come to camp and be personally worked out in front of this HC. This player went and when he arrived he was worked out on a separate field in front of the other 400+ campers. So as you can imagine this could not have been a good feeling for those other campers. This player performed well and received his offer that day and was even escorted to take a physical that day. So to state that camps don't matter is not accurate but I see your point and why many might have that opinion.

Now, to say all you need is to have size and speed and you will be found is 100% FALSE. I've been at this game evaluating recruiting for a very long time and several things are certain:

1. Your better have size and speed (that's a given)

2. You better have a h/l tape that showcases what you can do (given #2 ) this is like not having a resume when applying for a job!

3. You better have decent grades (given #3 )

4. You better, if you don't have coaches knocking at your door, be selective and find camps where you can showcase your talents and stick out

5. From there if you have peaked a coaches interest he is going to tell you that he WANTS to see COMPLETE game film and copies of your transcripts. Send a whole game tape in advance of a h/l tape and I can assure you it won't get watched.

 

Accomplish these 5 things and you begin to move from "Suspect to Prospect"

 

As for moving a player from a low profile school and to a high profile school, it may make a difference but you better know what you're doing because you could put yourself in a worse position than what you had before. However, if you move to an EXTREMELY high profile school (insert Moeller or in a few instances Trinity) where backups with little or in many cases no playing time has been realized and those players are getting offers I can see the argument. Getting to the State Championship game has very little boost in your exposure rating, if you can play a coach is going to know long before then. Regarding camps, for every player that chooses to go to a camp and maybe draw some interest or an offer, I will show 100 who won't get a sniff of interest for not attending. Like I stated "Camps are Necessary until they are no longer Necessary"....

 

Sorry for the long post but felt prudent to share experiences and not assumptions.