Band teacher are paid same as classroom teacher, depending on thier years experience and education.

Band. Most public schools employ teachers to do band only. What's the difference?

 

Most band teachers have a full schedule besides the band period. In large schools they may teach the "jazz ensemble", orchestra, Music Theory, etc..

 

In small schools they usually teach at the high school 1/2 time and the MS or Elementary school 1/2 time.

 

In larger districts they may teach a pull out 6th grade at various schools.

 

I have never been in a district and that has been 5 where they only taught band.

Good call in Band, @Hellcats.

solid band directors put in work daily. Aside from marching band, all have symphonic of some sort among other bands they prepare for. Paid teacher's salary.

 

I voted no, but I'm not saying it's going to be right everywhere all the time.

 

Bottom line we value what we want

None. Did not know that

 

How much are they paid ?

 

Band directors get a full teaching salary (based on rank and years) plus a stipend. In most cases Band Director's are paid the same as Head Football/basketball coaches as far as stipends go.

I don't think your comparing apples to apples when comparing band and football. In most (if not all school districts), the band director is actually teaching a class, and students in the band receive grades. Band really isn't an extracurricular activity.

Band directors get a full teaching salary (based on rank and years) plus a stipend. In most cases Band Director's are paid the same as Head Football/basketball coaches as far as stipends go.

 

But they also teach a full schedule, correct?

Ok do we call a coach teaching classes for his players only teaching ?

 

That's what happens in band. I got no problem with band doing this just think coaches should at the least get this schedule.

Ok do we call a coach teaching classes for his players only teaching ?

 

That's what happens in band. I got no problem with band doing this just think coaches should at the least get this schedule.

 

What classes would he teach?

Ok do we call a coach teaching classes for his players only teaching ?

 

That's what happens in band. I got no problem with band doing this just think coaches should at the least get this schedule.

 

I still don't think it's a fair comparison. Football players don't get graded or receive credit for playing football. The band director is teaching a class, that has curriculum, that the students enrolled will receive credit toward graduation, and the grades earned make up part of the students GPA. I'm not sure where you get that the band director has a special schedule.

I still don't think it's a fair comparison. Football players don't get graded or receive credit for playing football. The band director is teaching a class, that has curriculum, that the students enrolled will receive credit toward graduation, and the grades earned make up part of the students GPA. I'm not sure where you get that the band director has a special schedule.

 

Any class can have a curriculum. I can write one tomorrow on basket weaving and align in to State standards.

 

I'm not on here to downgrade band. I support all it does for kids, but people get a little something in their craw when the old ball coach is asked just run weightlifting for his kids and an elective for his kids instead of teaching a full load when the band director does the same thing. I see no problem with either situation, but they are similar.

A veteran coach/administrator shared this with me last week. In his opinion....

 

1- central Kentucky will see more head basketball coaches with an AAU background as opposed to a teaching background. They will be the head basketball coach but not teach classes. The demands of being a head coach and classroom teacher continue to grow.

 

2- HS athletics will give way to club athletics. Public schools will be less willing to spend money on extracurriculars. In his opinion, this was roughly 20 years away.

 

Who knows if this will happen, but his point was that it continues to get tougher to teach a full load of academic classes and be a head coach.

 

I have enjoyed teaching. It has been great. But I have to get this down to one full time job. It is not digging ditches and I have been blessed beyond words. It is a matter of running out of hours in the day to do everything well to the point your students, athletes, and your family get what they deserve. Not to mention my brain trying to keep up with everything that needs to be done.

 

The new head football coach at Mason County, Jonathan Thomas, was working at the lockerroom when I went in to school to get some work done Saturday. When I left 4 hours later, he was still there working. He is an outstanding coach and teacher. But, I am not sure there are many that will want to work and make those sacrifices down the road like he will. The classroom and being a head coach will continue to demand more time.

 

On a positive note, I am very proud of Jonathan. I am really happy he Is the new head football coach and he will do a great job leading the Royals!

No way. Let them coach and coach only if that's what they want to do. If they want to teach as well, cool. However, IMO, athletic coaches should not be required to coach if you are going to hire and fire them based on the results of the play on the field.

Unfortunately, I see the same thing as the administrator that ChiefSmoke talked to.

 

1 - In the past few years more and more head coaches have been hired who do not have college degrees and they have been placed in classified (non-teaching) school positions. These positions may include instructional assistants, school security, etc. They are paid hourly; and, obviously, not near what teachers are. So, this speaks to two points ChiefSmoke made. You are getting individuals with non-teaching backgrounds in head coaching spots and it is saving school districts money in some ways because the pay for classified spots is less and these positions are non-tenured. So, if the administration fires a coach then they can fire them from the classified spot and open that up for the new coach and around we go. If a tenured teacher is a head coach and gets fired from coaching (which is always year to year) they may stay on as a teacher and it doesn't necessarily open up a new spot for the administration to hire a new coach. The administration then also may have a teacher they just fired as a coach who isn't 'all in' with the administration anymore sticking around. Many of the basketball coaches who have been hired into classified spots in our state in the past few years do have an AAU background. I'm not saying any of this is good or bad (although I do have an opinion), but it just goes along with something else mentioned here.

 

2 - We are the only country in the world that trains athletes through the educational system. In other countries all of the youth athletics are club driven. There is already club soccer, AAU basketball, various summer baseball circuits, etc. There are now club 7on7 travel teams in football. It is just a matter of time before schools drop athletics and they will be ran by outside forces. In my opinion, the only reason this isn't talked about more right now is because college athletics is still going strong. If that infrastructure fell due to schools being able to afford full cost of attendance scholarships, paying out image and likeness fees, paying for athlete health care after graduation, etc, etc, etc. then you would see high school sports die a quick death.

 

Luckily, for me, I will be out of it when this rolls around and my son will have already had the opportunity of participating in education driven high school athletics.

If a band director gets a stipend to carry over what he is doing in the classroom, then he is doing his extra-curricular activity full-time. Why should coaches not get to do the same? Give them 3 classes of "athletics" that allow them to teach their players the fundamentals necessary for performance on Friday, Monday, and Thursday nights. No different than a band director teaching his kids what they will perform on Friday at halftime. Many require that students perform in pep band, marching band, and competition band and those are all outside of the classroom and after the school day. No different than any other coach. It's apples to apples...and can be applied the same way. You can have the guy teaching his players fundamental of character, sportsmanship, rules of the game...etc and even do this with his middle school as well. You can put lipstick on a pig folks, but it's still a pig. If a district wants to pay the guy full salary to coach, then so be it. I have more of an issue with a guy on road work crews holding a stop/slow sign and making 25 dollars an hour than I do a coach making 50K a year to coach full-time. Always heard the 2 most important people in a community were the preacher and the head football coach. Just saying.