That is why I said both. Of course the size etc plays a part in it, but what I'm saying is there are plenty with the size and speed to play DI but are never even on DI recruiters and coaches radars because they dont get seen.

That is not the norm. There isn't lots of kids that got missed. Size/speed first. The rest is 2nd. If you don't project to be what a d1 players is. Then your not a D1 player.

It's not always because he is slow, he can have decent speed and better hands but just isn't seen period.

 

You can have the best hands in the world. If not the speed then you are a no offer.

I get what you are saying, that is why I say both are a factor. They have to have the size , and exposure, and work ethic !!!

D1 coaches go by this. Said players have to be this size/speed or we don't offer. Don't matter HS numbers. Do you think a school 500 miles away knows the level of play in NKY? Nope. They don't care...

You can have the best hands in the world. If not the speed then you are a no offer.

You are wrong. What I'm telling you is the fact that there are guys out there who DO have the speed and great hands that never got a sniff from DI schools simply. Ecause they didn't get out there and get noticed at camps/combines etc.

 

There is a WR for Brockport NY last year who I personally watched as he broke a school record for most receptions in a game who could out right fly. He had hands and speed yet never went to camps and got noticed by DI schools. There is a O Linemen who plays for Hobart, a DIII school who not only was invited to the Senior Bowl this year, but also is listed as the 4th best Guard in this years draft. Smart kid too, I'm telling you that what you do on Friday Nights has very little to do with getting looks as long as you can play.

D1 coaches go by this. Said players have to be this size/speed or we don't offer. Don't matter HS numbers. Do you think a school 500 miles away knows the level of play in NKY? Nope. They don't care...

That's what I've been sayng, but you also think that all the players with the measurables are known about and the fact is they are not and there are many players that have prove that.

You are saying there are no kids playing anything other than DI that have the measurables that DI players have or what they look for. I'm telling you there are.

Coach1980 said it best. They have to have the size, EXPOSURE, and work ethic. I would also say some don't have the work ethic and it's exposed in college a lot of times also. But exposure is huge.

The key word here is or.

 

You can have God given talent to be D1 and not go D1. You have to put in some work to get there.

 

You can do everything in the world to make your self a D1 player and still not go D1 because you just don't have the talent/size/etc.

 

They aren't mutually exclusive in getting to D1 so you can't say or.

 

You are asking which is more important. Without a doubt, God given ability is more important. You can go D1 without working as hard as many others if you have the talent. As I said above, the opposite is not true. A marginal D1 player can go D1 with hard work but the player must have some God given ability/size/etc.

Most at the high levels are born... more at the lower levels are made.

You are wrong. What I'm telling you is the fact that there are guys out there who DO have the speed and great hands that never got a sniff from DI schools simply. Ecause they didn't get out there and get noticed at camps/combines etc.

 

There is a WR for Brockport NY last year who I personally watched as he broke a school record for most receptions in a game who could out right fly. He had hands and speed yet never went to camps and got noticed by DI schools. There is a O Linemen who plays for Hobart, a DIII school who not only was invited to the Senior Bowl this year, but also is listed as the 4th best Guard in this years draft. Smart kid too, I'm telling you that what you do on Friday Nights has very little to do with getting looks as long as you can play.

That guard is the first in what 25 30 yeas to go D1?? Not the norm. You like to point out not the norm. How did your friend get noticed? Why didn't you take notes?? agian your friend was born tall and strong. If a D3 kid is outstanding. He will be offered at the D1 level. Ever kid on a D1 roster is all everything. Big fast or has size. Not saying the 1% can't be missed. But kids are not playing D3 beacuse they are being missed. Just not true.

I hate posing this as an either/or discussion. Some guys are born with incredible tangible assets for high level collegiate athletics. Some guys are not born with the ideal size or speed and are still able to make it at the highest levels, but even those individuals have incredible athletic gifts. Some guys have all the tangible assets and still don't make it for one reason or another. Every story is different.

The key word here is or.

 

You can have God given talent to be D1 and not go D1. You have to put in some work to get there.

 

You can do everything in the world to make your self a D1 player and still not go D1 because you just don't have the talent/size/etc.

 

They aren't mutually exclusive in getting to D1 so you can't say or.

 

You are asking which is more important. Without a doubt, God given ability is more important. You can go D1 without working as hard as many others if you have the talent. As I said above, the opposite is not true. A marginal D1 player can go D1 with hard work but the player must have some God given ability/size/etc.

In the short you agree with me.

Most at the high levels are born... more at the lower levels are made.

 

This.

It is a combination. You are either born coordinated or you are not born coordinated. That is obvious. If you are coordinated, I believe, you can make yourself an athlete. An athlete CAN be born, however, they are not all that common. The athlete that works their tails off in the weight room, on the filed, and in the classroom is the athlete that gets noticed because he gets exposure. The athlete that relies solely on their talent and does not go to camps most likely will not be seen. These days, more and more coaches are looking at camps and combines more than they ever have. These camps and combines give the coaches an opportunity to see that "athlete" go up against other "athletes".

 

You can go D1 even if you don't have the size, IMHO. The problem that comes with that is that you have to leave no doubt that you are better than the player ahead of you that is taller. Coaches want tall OL, tall WR, tall DB, and tall QB. They want that and yes, that is in your genes, however; if you a 6'0 OL and you leave no doubt that you are better than the OL that is 6'5 ahead of you, the coach will play you BECAUSE THEY WANT TO WIN. Their job is to win football games and of the 6'0 OL is doing better than the 6'5 OL, the coach will play him. The coach will put the best 11 on the field that gives them the best chance of winning the game. Period. No "ifs", "ands", or "buts" about it.

 

Athletes can be made. They can be born. An athlete will not be athlete if he doesn't work. I dont care what you say to convince me otherwise. An "athlete" to me is some one who does whatever they can do to better. When you hear of an athlete, you don't hear of a lazy athlete. You hear of a working athlete-only because they put themselves in to position to be recognized.

 

You are born with size. No one can change that. But every thing else is justified by the athlete's desire to get better. Plain and simple. I am a firm believer that you can coach speed. It's very hard to get faster, but you can get faster. I've witnessed it myself along with doing it myself.

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100% spot on! A 6'5 center in HS bball that scores 20 a game. Will never get a d1 bball offer. He's to short. But a 6'9 kid scores 8 a game will.

 

But could that 6'5 kid have worked on his perimeter game and court skills and became a guard? It's both. Lots of 6'5 HS football players not playing D1. Lots of kids have been blessed with genetics, but didnt have the work ethic to separate themselves.