Don't a lot of the top D3 players end up getting schorlships at D1 schools? I believe they don't have to sit out a year. You would think if NFL scouts are looking at kids, D1 coaches are also..

Here's the major flaw. The one kid you used as an example to prove your point was found by D1 coaches and had 2 scholarship offers. He didn't get ignored, he decided to play at a lower level all by himself. If he wasn't "found" you might have a point, but of your own admission, you don't.

 

Do you actually know a D1 coach? Those guys are on the phone 12 hours a day looking for players, and talking to every contact they have to KEEP THEIR JOB. The farther you move down the list of schools, the harder and harder each guy works to know every kid in his area.

 

While you love to generalize things, I actually do know D1 coaches and know how hard they work to lift every rock for a guy good enough to play at their level. A small number still end up being missed, and as you own up to that can also be on the player and his family depending on the situation.

 

Talent finds its level. That's reality...

I will back this up. My son was offered by a D1 school that I had never sent a video too or went to a camp they were at. How did they find him and offer him? also got a call from a school 1000 miles away asking to be a PWO. I never sent a thing to them.

Don't a lot of the top D3 players end up getting schorlships at D1 schools? I believe they don't have to sit out a year. You would think if NFL scouts are looking at kids, D1 coaches are also..

 

No. While I'm guessing it happens, it doesn't happen often. You do still have to sit out a year when transferring up. It's covered under NCAA Rule 4.4. When it does happen, most of the time I would think it would be a walk on situation.

 

NCAA Division III Transfers

 

For Division III student-athletes being recruited by a Division I or II school, or Division I or II student-athletes being recruited by a Division III school, the rules are the same as Division I. Permission to contact from the school must be obtained, the school has seven business days to make a decision, and 15 business days to finish the appeal.

 

 

As far as percentages of D3 guys able to play D1, 1% sounds about right, if not a little high. In the Thomas Moore example, 2 guys out of a roster of 130 or so guys, is about 1.5%. And Thomas Moore is a top D3 program. There vast majority of D3 programs likely don't have anybody that could make a D1 roster. Doesn't mean it's bad football or easy to play D3. It's just for the most part, the top talent isn't choosing to play D3 over D1. While a few D3 guys make the NFL every year (or get chances to ), the chances of making it are very slim.

I will back this up. My son was offered by a D1 school that I had never sent a video too or went to a camp they were at. How did they find him and offer him? also got a call from a school 1000 miles away asking to be a PWO. I never sent a thing to them.

 

You're going to tell me that Talent finds its level? That every D2 kid is supposed to be a D2 kid? That every NAIA kid is as good as NAIA? That every D3 kid can only play D3? And D1 kids are where they should be? That is absurd in every aspect. While I believe most of the D1 kids are where they should be, D2, D3, and NAIA is a mixture. I personally know someone who could have played D1 but chose D3. In my own experience, I could have played D1 FCS but I chose NAIA. The point of "Talent finds its level" is the densest statement I have heard from anyone on here in awhile.

 

If you don't plan on playing D1, even if you have the opportunity to, then you have other factors that may play in other than football: school, location, teacher/student ratio, etc. you cannot convince me other wise that "talent finds its place". But I will agree that most D1 kids are where they should be. But D2, D3, and NAIA are not like that at all. And I would be the one to know, considering I'm playing here.

Little Ram had offers from several FCS, several DII, almost every DIII in the Eastern US, and many NAIA schools. Is he a DI player? Well, he was offered by some DI schools. Is he DIII, he was offered positions by about 25 DIII schools. Where does he fit?

 

Little Ram is not the only player that had offers from multiple schools at multiple levels. It happens every year. Some are putting DI offers on a pedestal. Sure, some players are "Big Time" players and everyone knows they are going to be a DI player, but the majority of the players on current DI rosters could have just as easily player NAIA or DII.

 

There are multiple NAIA players that played one year at the DI level then transferred to a NAIA school. Are they DI players? Are they NAIA players?

 

The answer to the initial question: Very few are born DI, most are made, and many of the possible DI players are playing at different levels.

You're going to tell me that Talent finds its level? That every D2 kid is supposed to be a D2 kid? That every NAIA kid is as good as NAIA? That every D3 kid can only play D3? And D1 kids are where they should be? That is absurd in every aspect. While I believe most of the D1 kids are where they should be, D2, D3, and NAIA is a mixture. I personally know someone who could have played D1 but chose D3. In my own experience, I could have played D1 FCS but I chose NAIA. The point of "Talent finds its level" is the densest statement I have heard from anyone on here in awhile.

 

If you don't plan on playing D1, even if you have the opportunity to, then you have other factors that may play in other than football: school, location, teacher/student ratio, etc. you cannot convince me other wise that "talent finds its place". But I will agree that most D1 kids are where they should be. But D2, D3, and NAIA are not like that at all. And I would be the one to know, considering I'm playing here.

I've said the same thing and know of kids as I've already pointed out who are playing DIII not because they couldn't play DI but because they chose DIII for the school and what they wanted to study etc.

Most DIII players and DII and NAIA are where they should be but to make statements like the levels finds the talent is too broad of a brush to paint and false more times than they want to admit.

There are so many reasons players play where they are. There are a lot of DI players who won't see the field so they transfer to lower divisions so they can play. That happens all the time.

There are so many reasons players play where they are. There are a lot of DI players who won't see the field so they transfer to lower divisions so they can play. That happens all the time.

 

But according to gametime, they shouldn't transfer down. Their talent has found its level. Why won't they transfer to another D1 school instead of to a D2 school?

 

I enjoy watching D1 football. It's a different level of football compared to D2 and D3. But let's get this out there, kids who are recruited by D1 school have made their mind up that they want to play at a big time school. Growing up, I'm not 100% convince I ever wanted to play D1. Not because I didn't think I was good enough, but because I wasn't interested in being at a big school and the class sizes being 200. I could have, but CHOSE not too. It's not about how good they are. It's about where they want to play and what they have to do (work and exposure wise) to get there. I wanted to play at a smaller college. I wanted the family atmosphere.

 

Do I want to play in front of 100,000 people??? Oh heck yeah! But I'd rather play in front of 20,000 and get what I want: both athletically and academically. I'd say roughly 30% of all D1 athletes are freaky good and have worked their butts off to play D1. But I'd say the last 30% want to be there because it was their dream to walk a D1 field, play in front of 100,000 fans, or to wear that "____" on their jersey. And the middle 40%, is a combination of the two.

There are so many reasons players play where they are. There are a lot of DI players who won't see the field so they transfer to lower divisions so they can play. That happens all the time.

 

This happens A LOT. Even going back to my playing days, I can remember visiting a top 10 D3 program, and being introduced to a half dozen former D1 guys that were on the team that had transferred in from big time D1 schools...Nebraska, Penn State, etc. Guys get homesick, have injury troubles, or see the writing on the wall, and end up going somewhere else, often at a lower level.

This happens A LOT. Even going back to my playing days, I can remember visiting a top 10 D3 program, and being introduced to a half dozen former D1 guys that were on the team that had transferred in from big time D1 schools...Nebraska, Penn State, etc. Guys get homesick, have injury troubles, or see the writing on the wall, and end up going somewhere else, often at a lower level.

Which is one reason I get pretty offended when someone like Gametime comes across inferring DIII isn't legit football. The arrogance alone is appalling .

D3 players aren't just kids who are missed or kids that didn't want and passed up the chance to get a free education. I think Little Ram and SK QB at TM are not the norm. If a top 10 D3 has maybe 6 D1 transfers. That's still a very low number. That's a top 10! No one ever said D3 isn't good football. If the talent was spread out amoung all levels. Why has only 19 D3 players been drafted from 1990 to 2015? 19 kids out of over 5000 draft picks. Way less than 1%.

You have missed the entire point being made.

 

did I ever say 50% of DIII players could play DI? NO

 

do me a huge favor and go back and read this thread before you make a comment on something you have no clue about.

 

Then you can explain to me, even though it has nothing to do with what I posted, how you came up with the only 1% of D3 players can make a DI roster. I'd love to k ow where you pulled that from.

 

 

let me help you out a little. You do realize Thomas More had at least 2 players this year that could have made DI rosters don't you? Do you think Thomas More is the only college like that? There are players all

over the country for one reason or another a player here and there are not playing for DI school. I have never seen Thomas More play, nor do I know all their players but I do know a QB (Kuntz) and their RB could have easily made DI rosters, the RB had NFL scouts watching him this season. That would make your 1% a number you simply pulled out of the air. Thomas More is only 1 school. 1. There are players on rosters all

over the country just like the 2 I mentioned

 

:thumb: I understand. Trust me and / or I am sure that if you have been around for any amount of time that arguing or even trying to explain to some, a couple inpaticular is pointless. :no: :lol2:

You're going to tell me that Talent finds its level? That every D2 kid is supposed to be a D2 kid? That every NAIA kid is as good as NAIA? That every D3 kid can only play D3? And D1 kids are where they should be? That is absurd in every aspect. While I believe most of the D1 kids are where they should be, D2, D3, and NAIA is a mixture. I personally know someone who could have played D1 but chose D3. In my own experience, I could have played D1 FCS but I chose NAIA. The point of "Talent finds its level" is the densest statement I have heard from anyone on here in awhile.

 

If you don't plan on playing D1, even if you have the opportunity to, then you have other factors that may play in other than football: school, location, teacher/student ratio, etc. you cannot convince me other wise that "talent finds its place". But I will agree that most D1 kids are where they should be. But D2, D3, and NAIA are not like that at all. And I would be the one to know, considering I'm playing here.

:thumb: Check / read my quote of Hellbird above. My same comments apply here as well....... Legends , "just ain't worth my time, life is too short" :idunno:

Might as well have some fun with the passive aggressive crowd.

 

Guess what? If you had D1 interest and D1 offers, you didn't slide under the radar. You were "found" at that level, and if you decide to go the DIII route, you are at your level. You didn't go undiscovered and end up playing DIII because it was your only choice.

 

Now how many kids on a DIII roster are there after turning down a legit D1 offer? I'd be shocked if there were more than 100 that could have committed to a free ride at the D1 level in all of DIII football. Well below 1%. Kudos to those kids for picking their own path, but they weren't some rare diamond in the rough. They made the choice that put them at that level.

 

And we still can't even get close to a number that says even 5% of the kids in all of DIII football are worthy of a spot on a D1 roster. Worthy of a scholarship and we are below 1%.

 

Talent finds its level. If you turn that down, don't go claiming "I should have been D1". That's your choice to make. Live with it... :idunno:

Might as well have some fun with the passive aggressive crowd.

 

Guess what? If you had D1 interest and D1 offers, you didn't slide under the radar. You were "found" at that level, and if you decide to go the DIII route, you are at your level. You didn't go undiscovered and end up playing DIII because it was your only choice.

 

Now how many kids on a DIII roster are there after turning down a legit D1 offer? I'd be shocked if there were more than 100 that could have committed to a free ride at the D1 level in all of DIII football. Well below 1%. Kudos to those kids for picking their own path, but they weren't some rare diamond in the rough. They made the choice that put them at that level.

 

And we still can't even get close to a number that says even 5% of the kids in all of DIII football are worthy of a spot on a D1 roster. Worthy of a scholarship and we are below 1%.

 

Talent finds its level. If you turn that down, don't go claiming "I should have been D1". That's your choice to make. Live with it... :idunno:

Again, you miss the entire aspect that was made earlier and you still refuse to acknowledge a fact that stares you right in the face.

Let me break it down for you.

 

1. It is not the job of a High School coaches to get his players recruited, it's not his job.

 

2. If a player does not attend Camps/Combines due to NUMEROUS reasons whether it be lack of money, lack of time, playing other sports at the same time those camps/combines take place, lack of resources etc. they more likely than not will not be "discovered" by DI recruiters.

 

DI recruiters do not sit in the stands every Friday night trying to discover the next Jameis Winston. The only time you will see DI coaches etc. in the stands of a Friday Night game is when they already have interest in a player that is playing that night and where did they find that interest? Mostly through exposure of Camps/Combines videos etc.

 

Now you want to continue the falsehood that if anyone is a DI caliber player they have been discovered already and that no one who isn't discovered just isn't worthy of DI level. That is garbage and I have followed this a lot shorter amount of time than you apparently yet I already know of many stories of how local kids alone got to DI and you still don't understand how they got there. That alone is amazing to me that I would know more than you do about the process. Fact of the matter, a lot of times a DI school may not even send anyone to a Friday Night game and simply do their recruiting through phone conversations, email, texts etc. and campus visits.

 

I can rattle off a long list of just local kids who would never have gotten DI scholarships or even looks if they simply didn't attend numerous camps/combines or hire recruiting services. There are so many that get noticed who haven't even started a single Varsity game yet simply because they attended the right camps/combines etc. If they never would have attended them they never would have been noticed period. Keep believing what you believe but the fact is without exposure done on THEIR parts, no one would have came knocking on their front door after a Friday Night Game for the majority of the 110 kids on a DI roster.

 

This isn't about DIII Athletes who have turned down DI offers. This is about the fact that there are DIII players who could make DI rosters which is where this conversation started this weekend. No matter how they got to DIII. It's not even about the %'s. It's just explains the fact that there are some DIII players who could play at the DI level no matter how small of a % it is. IT is a fact that DI misses every once in awhile and it's not there fault but is simply a fact that they didn't know about some of the kids is all.

 

Talent finds it's level only when the player gets the exposure for the levels to find him. That is what you should go by.

Edited May 4, 201511 yr by Hellbird