Not to change the subject because it does involve the refs but....what is the rule (if any rule at all) regarding who (meaning coaches) can address the officials during play and at time outs? Obviously, the head coach can. But what about assistant coaches? Do the refs even have to acknowledge an assistant coach complaining during a time-out? Not naming assistant coach or team, but I notice a consistent pattern with a particluar assistant coach, and am wondering if an official even needs/ has to address an assistant coach? Do not know, just asking....

Euro step when done correctly is obviously legal. The only problem with it , it is still relatively new at the HS level and some refs can't see the difference of a legal to illegal play. If anything I've seen it called a walk more often when it shouldn't be.

 

This.

 

There is far too much inconsistency with the euro.

And to add to the conversation, personally, I feel like a common call that gets missed is a dragged pivot foot/shuffling of the feet. Especially in two places: 1. When a player is trapped/about to get trapped on the perimeter 2. When a post player is doubled and/or making a post move.

Not to change the subject because it does involve the refs but....what is the rule (if any rule at all) regarding who (meaning coaches) can address the officials during play and at time outs? Obviously, the head coach can. But what about assistant coaches? Do the refs even have to acknowledge an assistant coach complaining during a time-out? Not naming assistant coach or team, but I notice a consistent pattern with a particluar assistant coach, and am wondering if an official even needs/ has to address an assistant coach? Do not know, just asking....

 

As a general rule the assistant coach is not to be heard from. If you get one that starts yapping a bit you walk up to the head coach and say "Coach, I'll listen to you but not any assistants." At that point the bench has been warned and any subsequent complaints/outbursts will be a bench technical.

 

Now if an assistant knows how to approach you you give him courtesy. If an assistant calmly approaches your during a TO to ask a question or even tell you he thinks he you missed a call it's all good as long as he does it the right way. Sometimes you can communicate through the assistant to the head coach so you use them occasionally. A good official will not pay attention to the assistant coach who wants to get in your ear during a TO. You just act like you don't even know they're there. You don't go looking for problems.

As a general rule the assistant coach is not to be heard from. If you get one that starts yapping a bit you walk up to the head coach and say "Coach, I'll listen to you but not any assistants." At that point the bench has been warned and any subsequent complaints/outbursts will be a bench technical.

 

Now if an assistant knows how to approach you you give him courtesy. If an assistant calmly approaches your during a TO to ask a question or even tell you he thinks he you missed a call it's all good as long as he does it the right way. Sometimes you can communicate through the assistant to the head coach so you use them occasionally. A good official will not pay attention to the assistant coach who wants to get in your ear during a TO. You just act like you don't even know they're there. You don't go looking for problems.

 

Clyde.... thanks for your response, much appreciated. Will watch this play out the next time I see them play.

Figures that I disagree with you.

 

The Euro Step is a walk everytime! The pivot foot has already left the floor. It is a walk.

If that's the case then a layup is a walk. The other big one which most refs miss is the pro hop where a player leaves one lands 2 and leaves one (via a step through) If you ask most refs what a pro hop is they wouldn't be able to tell you.

If that's the case then a layup is a walk. The other big one which most refs miss is the pro hop where a player leaves one lands 2 and leaves one (via a step through) If you ask most refs what a pro hop is they wouldn't be able to tell you.

 

I remember Tony Delk being called for a walk for a pro hop move to the lane in the 1996 Final Four, and it wiped away a basket. The TV guys commented at the time that it wasn't a walk. In a game of that magnitude refs sure don't want to miss a call such as that.

If that's the case then a layup is a walk. The other big one which most refs miss is the pro hop where a player leaves one lands 2 and leaves one (via a step through) If you ask most refs what a pro hop is they wouldn't be able to tell you.

 

Is it a walk when a player tries to execute a pro hop and their feet do not hit the floor at the same time? This is one I see an awful lot and have always thought it was a travel, but I very rarely have seen it called that way.

A couple of plays that I think needs to be addressed more by the officials:

 

1. Larger centers and forwards using their butts and body mass to back down smaller defenders who have established defensive positions. Shaq made a career of this. Duke's Okafor is good at it. So is UK's Johnson. I know, I know....some of you will say, "Well, you can't penalize big guys for being bigger than their defender." No, but you still can't permit them to push their way to the basket to create a shot. That's an offensive foul. But it rarely gets called unless the big guy hooks or lowers his shoulder.

 

2. Do something about the flops. If memory serves me correctly, back in the early 1980s players who flopped were hit with a technical. It was a rule, and I remember it being enforced in the 14th region a few times because we had some players who had it called on them. I remember in particular a game in 1982 at Jackson City it being called twice on our team, and the ref making the call is now assigning secretary of officials in the 14th region. He was a good ref and knew the rules. I wish it would go back to that. Stop this flopping and Hollywood acts. That rule may still be in effect but just not enforced, I don't know because I don't really keep up with the rules or changes that much anymore.

Is it a walk when a player tries to execute a pro hop and their feet do not hit the floor at the same time? This is one I see an awful lot and have always thought it was a travel, but I very rarely have seen it called that way.

That is correct the players feet have to land at the same time

That is correct the players feet have to land at the same time

 

Not that simple. It depends on when he stops his dribble vs where his feet were at the time. If he doesn't gather the ball until AFTER he leaps he can then land 1 then the other. The first foot would be his pivot and he can move the other foot. If he gathers it BEFORE he leaves the ground then he has to land on both feet and has NO pivot.

 

The challenging thing is determining when he gathers. Even watching video later it is sometimes hard to tell so imagine in real-time. If the official isn't sure he's going to let them land 1 then the other. Add in that he may be focusing on the defender to see if he is about to put two hands on the dribbler or moving in for a charge and you can see why the official doesn't always know the the ball was gathered.

Not that simple. It depends on when he stops his dribble vs where his feet were at the time. If he doesn't gather the ball until AFTER he leaps he can then land 1 then the other. The first foot would be his pivot and he can move the other foot. If he gathers it BEFORE he leaves the ground then he has to land on both feet and has NO pivot.

 

The challenging thing is determining when he gathers. Even watching video later it is sometimes hard to tell so imagine in real-time. If the official isn't sure he's going to let them land 1 then the other. Add in that he may be focusing on the defender to see if he is about to put two hands on the dribbler or moving in for a charge and you can see why the official doesn't always know the the ball was gathered.

 

This response really helps me to understand why it isn't called as much as I thought it should be. I thought it was black and white and it was just missed THAT MUCH, but thanks for the insight now I won't argue that call as much

Not that simple. It depends on when he stops his dribble vs where his feet were at the time. If he doesn't gather the ball until AFTER he leaps he can then land 1 then the other. The first foot would be his pivot and he can move the other foot. If he gathers it BEFORE he leaves the ground then he has to land on both feet and has NO pivot.

 

The challenging thing is determining when he gathers. Even watching video later it is sometimes hard to tell so imagine in real-time. If the official isn't sure he's going to let them land 1 then the other. Add in that he may be focusing on the defender to see if he is about to put two hands on the dribbler or moving in for a charge and you can see why the official doesn't always know the the ball was gathered.

I see your point for sure. I don't think your really ever going to see a true pro hop executed gathering the ball after you leap. I"m not even sure that's possible. My point is that if the player is dribbling the ball in his right hand gathers it (much like to shoot a layup) Jumps off his left foot to execute the pro hop (lands 2 feet solid he can still step with either foot to execute the step through to score.

The specific travel I'd say is missed the most is the spin move. It's almost always a travel but sometimes it happens so fast it's hard to tell.

Refs rarely call the high dribble anymore. One of the Harrison's in a recent game was dribbling the ball as high as his face. I'm not as keen on the rules as some of you on here. I suppose several of you are referees. But is the high dribble not a violation of the rules?