Figures that I disagree with you.

 

The Euro Step is a walk everytime! The pivot foot has already left the floor. It is a walk.

 

No rule against pivot foot leaving the floor.

No rule against pivot foot leaving the floor.

 

I disagree.

 

Look on the left column since we are talking about high school basketball.

 

Basketball Travel Rules

 

ART. 2 . . . A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows:

 

a. If both feet are off the floor and the player lands:

 

1. Simultaneously on both feet, either foot may be the pivot.

2. On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch is the pivot.

3. On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.

 

b. If one foot is on the floor:

 

1. It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.

2. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.

 

Here is a video on Manu Ginobili's Euro Step. It is clearly a walk (if he was in high school) as his pivot foot comes off of the floor and then back to the floor before the shot.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqx7OqmJpL8

I saw no walk in that video. Item #3 in your rules above is what happens in the Euro step so it is legal. If you pick up your dribble while on one foot and then jump onto both feet, you can then jump and shoot and it is not traveling.

One of the biggest problems with the charge/block call is when the player is deemed to be out of control the ref will call a charge. But there is no rule against a player being out of "control" , defender must be set. It looks bad so a charge is called.

 

My problem with bad charge calls had always been it usually rewards teams for bad defense.

 

Wholeheartedly agree with all this.

I saw no walk in that video. Item #3 in your rules above is what happens in the Euro step so it is legal. If you pick up your dribble while on one foot and then jump onto both feet, you can then jump and shoot and it is not traveling.

 

I disagree. Item 3 above has to do with both feet coming down simultaneously. This is not the case.

 

The pivot foot was picked up and placed back down. This is a walk.

I disagree. Look on the left column since we are talking about high school basketball. Basketball Travel Rules ART. 2 . . . A player' date=' who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows: a. If both feet are off the floor and the player lands: 1. Simultaneously on both feet, either foot may be the pivot. 2. On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch is the pivot. 3. On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case. b. If one foot is on the floor: 1. It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step. 2. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case. Here is a video on Manu Ginobili's Euro Step. It is clearly a walk (if he was in high school) as his pivot foot comes off of the floor and then back to the floor before the shot. YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqx7OqmJpL8

 

What exactly are you disagreeing with? There is no rule prohibiting the lifting of the pivot foot on a shot.

What exactly are you disagreeing with? There is no rule prohibiting the lifting of the pivot foot on a shot.

 

Read again. It has to do with the pivot foot coming back down which is what happens on the Euro Step.

 

It is a walk.

Edit

Read again. It has to do with the pivot foot coming back down which is what happens on the Euro Step. It is a walk.

 

 

Pivot foot foot never returned.

Pivot foot foot never returned.

 

We will agree to disagree and end the conversation since you edited your previous comment.

We will agree to disagree and end the conversation since you edited your previous comment.

 

I edited it because I was only reading the part about the jump stop before reading all of your post.

 

There is no debate here. The pivot foot never touches. The 2nd step is the same step as a regular layup other than the direction of the step.

 

100% legal.

I edited it because I was only reading the part about the jump stop before reading all of your post.

 

There is no debate here. The pivot foot never touches. The 2nd step is the same step as a regular layup other than the direction of the step.

 

100% legal.

 

The right foot is the pivot foot in the video. Modern basketball ignores this fact.

 

This is a walk.

 

We will again agree to disagree.

The right foot is the pivot foot in the video. Modern basketball ignores this fact.

 

This is a walk.

 

We will again agree to disagree.

 

He is not stopping his dribble till the left foot hits the ground. That isn't anywhere close to a travel.

He is not stopping his dribble till the left foot hits the ground. That isn't anywhere close to a travel.

 

Look again.

 

The ball bounces back to him off the floor at the 1:04 mark.

 

At that point into the 1:05 mark he is moving his left foot up. Therefore, the right foot is his pivot foot once he places the left foot down. No more dribbling occurs.

The right foot is the pivot foot in the video. Modern basketball ignores this fact.

 

This is a walk.

 

We will again agree to disagree.

 

Depends on which play you're looking at. If you are using the walk-through example(the one where he is going in slo-mo) then we agree. The play where it's live right after the walk-through example is not a walk because the pivot foot is the left foot. It's the pivot because he secured the ball as his left foot was hitting the ground. Therefore, the right foot is NOT the pivot and legal to go off of.