Pardon me for momentarily doubting your knowledge.

 

Very simple. I would say that just like in 95% of other cases, movement without dribbling is a travel. Slide on the floor with the ball should be ruled a travel. No different that rolling, standing, going to/from a knee, etc. Consistency.

So you don't want players to hustle after a loose ball... nice to know

It happens alot and is hardly called. It drives me nuts.

 

Agreed.

So you don't want players to hustle after a loose ball... nice to know

 

Many cases where a player gets on the floor for a loose ball and doesn't slide across the floor.

Do officials review game tapes in an attempt to improve?

Do officials review game tapes in an attempt to improve?

 

I'm sure they would if someone sent them one. If you're asking if there is currently a process in place where games are taped specifically for this, the answer is no.

Do officials review game tapes in an attempt to improve?

 

Recently, officials have gained access to games they've worked through Hudl. I know they use that in the 9th region. Not sure about the other regions.

There was an advantage gained. The kid ran out of bounds when the rule says he cannot do that. So instead of him stopping and altering his path he did something illegal ie advantage gained.

 

In my example an advantage was also gained. No difference.

 

I defend the officials who make the right calls. However, if they screw up I also say it. The blarge call Jim posted is a perfect example. It should NEVER happen and it if does an official screwed up - which I said.

 

Your issue seems to be more with the rulebook and not calls so which do you want to debate? You still haven't told me how you would write the rules for a kid sliding on the floor.

 

I have an issue with both in some cases.

I did not say anything about a player sliding on the floor. My issue is with advancing the basketball while "juggling" it. Let's take out the dribble and just pat it down the floor then. As far as officials go, the good ones know when an advantage is gained, and stepping on the endline while the basketball is 70 feet away is no advantage. If you truly believe that then I certainly am glad you don't call the games I watch. And you can be as smug as you'd like, it doesn't affect me. I bet if you officiated football you'd be the one that calls holding on every play, cause it happens.

I have an issue with both in some cases.

I did not say anything about a player sliding on the floor. My issue is with advancing the basketball while "juggling" it. Let's take out the dribble and just pat it down the floor then. As far as officials go, the good ones know when an advantage is gained, and stepping on the endline while the basketball is 70 feet away is no advantage. If you truly believe that then I certainly am glad you don't call the games I watch. And you can be as smug as you'd like, it doesn't affect me. I bet if you officiated football you'd be the one that calls holding on every play, cause it happens.

 

Sorry. Confused posters/issues.

 

For the record, I wouldn't call the guy running out of bounds if the ball was on the other end. What I would do is tell him it's a violation if it happens again. Preventive officiating.

 

My response was generally to see how far you want to go with what is called and isn't.

 

Back to your "tapping" issue.

 

We do agree that it is impossible to tap the ball for a very long distance, correct?

 

If we do then how do you write a rule that keeps in mind real scenarios?

Many cases where a player gets on the floor for a loose ball and doesn't slide across the floor.

That doesn't mean there are not cases where someone who dives after a ball and slides due to the dive should be whistled for a violation.

That doesn't mean there are not cases where someone who dives after a ball and slides due to the dive should be whistled for a violation.

 

Why not? There was an advantage gained.

 

It's called all the time when a player on the floor that got on the ground first slides his butt or rolls because he was trying to get the ball away from defenders trying to tie him up. Doesn't mean it wasn't great hustle, but that's the rules of the game.

Why not? There was an advantage gained.

 

It's called all the time when a player on the floor that got on the ground first slides his butt or rolls because he was trying to get the ball away from defenders trying to tie him up. Doesn't mean it wasn't great hustle, but that's the rules of the game.

 

As stated before, those are two completely different scenarios. If you didn't listen before, you aren't going to.

As stated before, those are two completely different scenarios. If you didn't listen before, you aren't going to.

 

In your eyes they are different. From where I'm sitting, advantage gained by moving without dribbling. Same thing. Unfortunate, maybe. But there's a lot of calls where players have good intentions and it doesn't turn out the right way.

 

But if you didn't listen before, you probably aren't going to. I guess.

The calls I see the refs miss the most:

 

When my kid has the ball stolen from he him....he was fouled. Never gets called. Nobody can take his rock without fouling him.

 

When my kid misses a layup...he was fouled. He never misses layups.

 

When my kid misses a jumper....yep.....fouled....he never misses jumpers.

 

When my kid misses a free throw....there was a lane violation. One of the opponents got in too early and messed up his concentration. That's why he missed the free throws. He's money from the line.

 

And lastly, when the refs call a foul on my kid they blew that call too. He plays better defense than Gary Payton. He doesn't have to foul.

 

 

 

 

 

Those are the calls I see missed in every one of my kid's games that I attend. Daggone refs need betta recognize.

In your eyes they are different. From where I'm sitting, advantage gained by moving without dribbling. Same thing. Unfortunate, maybe. But there's a lot of calls where players have good intentions and it doesn't turn out the right way.

 

But if you didn't listen before, you probably aren't going to. I guess.

 

Maybe I can help clear this up. Going to the floor to secure a ball, then sliding to a stop, is not a violation and really no advantage gained. The player securing the loose ball earned the "advantage" of securing the ball, and now has to make a legal basketball play to maintain that advantage. Nell Fookes at Boone County has taught this method for 25 years....and it is legal, and works, in particular for girls play.

 

After securing the ball, if the player makes an illegal move, sliding butt, rolling over, etc...then they have unfairly attempted to gain advantage without a legal play.

 

The biggest difference in these two is when the ball was secured and what position the player was in when secured. Like most travelling violations, the key factors are ball security, timing and movement.

Birdbrain, I think the point being made by ESPN is that the ball was in fact secured prior to the slide or during the slide if you will. The scenario I think was the player actually was in possession, prior to even hitting the floor, got tangled up during a drive, hit the floor (with ball in possession......dribble ceased) and then slid. In my book and/or eyes, that's a travel. Then again, I'm not a ref, but unless Clyde hasn't interpreted the way I just described it, then I defer to his judgement since he is in fact an official. If indeed what I just described is what Clyde is explaining, then it's just another :idunno: