How is that any different than a player rolling with possession of the ball

 

The rulebook differentiates between the two. Can't roll.

I guess my question was more... Is "he was falling early" a reasonable explanation for a call being a block rather than charge

 

If his falling causes the offensive player to go down it's PROBABLY a block.

I guess my question was more... Is "he was falling early" a reasonable explanation for a call being a block rather than charge

 

If his falling causes the offensive player to go down it's PROBABLY a block.

 

 

To the first quoted, yes falling early is likely going to be an automatic block. Contact must be made to the torso area before a charge is called.

 

Actually, flopping on a charge attempt can be called a technical against the offender. Seldom called, thus the automatic block call is usually made.

 

Taking initial contact and "selling" the call is usually okay. Avoiding initial contact by falling too soon, shouldn't ever equal a charge call.

Rulebook says the contact must be to the torso.

 

Makes zero sense. A defender is stationary for 10 seconds, the offensive player runs into his shoulder, and its a block? Does the defender not have the right to his spot on the floor, all the way to the ceiling (theoretically)?

See post #75

 

Didn't say anything about "hanging out under the rim". My point is if a defender is in legal guarding position and the offense runs in to him, it shouldn't be a block.

Here's another ridiculous rule...the offense may "juggle" or "bobble" the ball and advance it down the floor. I asked an official "So, theoretically the player can bobble/juggle the ball down the entire length of the floor?" The offficial said "yep".

To the first quoted, yes falling early is likely going to be an automatic block. Contact must be made to the torso area before a charge is called.

 

Actually, flopping on a charge attempt can be called a technical against the offender. Seldom called, thus the automatic block call is usually made.

 

Taking initial contact and "selling" the call is usually okay. Avoiding initial contact by falling too soon, shouldn't ever equal a charge call.

 

Thank you. For being a pretty straightforward call, this one is called incorrectly too much.

Here's another ridiculous rule...the offense may "juggle" or "bobble" the ball and advance it down the floor. I asked an official "So, theoretically the player can bobble/juggle the ball down the entire length of the floor?" The offficial said "yep".

 

It's about as ridiculous as the fact that a player lying on the floor can essentially 'scoot' themselves if they so please without it being a travel.

 

I'm not saying Clyde is wrong on the rule. I'm saying that if that's the case, it's a bad rule. We need to use some common sense here...

Agree 100% ESPN. I know officials that know the rule book backwards and forwards; but they have no feel for the game or use no common sense in application. As a result, their games are usually choppy, boring contests that have no flow. Saw a ref in a game once that called a violation on a kid that stepped out of bounds coming off a baseline screen....I know a player can't willingly run out of bounds, but the ball was 70 feet away!!!! The play had a tremendous impact on the game....

Makes zero sense. A defender is stationary for 10 seconds' date=' the offensive player runs into his shoulder, and its a block? Does the defender not have the right to his spot on the floor, all the way to the ceiling (theoretically)?[/quote'] Doesnt have to be anything. If a defender gets hit in the arm and falls it is nothing.

Here's another ridiculous rule...the offense may "juggle" or "bobble" the ball and advance it down the floor. I asked an official "So' date=' theoretically the player can bobble/juggle the ball down the entire length of the floor?" The offficial said "yep".[/quote']

 

Key word is "theoretically."

 

Call me if you see it happen.

It's about as ridiculous as the fact that a player lying on the floor can essentially 'scoot' themselves if they so please without it being a travel. I'm not saying Clyde is wrong on the rule. I'm saying that if that's the case' date=' it's a bad rule. We need to use some common sense here...[/quote']

 

I never said a player could scoot.

Agree 100% ESPN. I know officials that know the rule book backwards and forwards; but they have no feel for the game or use no common sense in application. As a result' date=' their games are usually choppy, boring contests that have no flow. Saw a ref in a game once that called a violation on a kid that stepped out of bounds coming off a baseline screen....I know a player can't willingly run out of bounds, but the ball was 70 feet away!!!! The play had a tremendous impact on the game....[/quote']

 

What if the defender grabbed the the jersey of the player coming off of the screen? Let it go?

I never said a player could scoot.

 

What's the difference in sliding and scooting? Whether the momentum comes from a fall or if they were already stationary on the ground?

What's the difference in sliding and scooting? Whether the momentum comes from a fall or if they were already stationary on the ground?

 

When a player dives to the floor he can slide until his momentum stops him. From there if he "scoots" or stands up it is a travel.

 

If a player is on the floor and ends up with the ball and is stationary he/she cannot scoot or slide.