I understand your feelings. My question is this. If the coyote problem does start to effect you, your pets, or your neighbors farm animals, or diseased animals start hanging around your home. Do you then try and take measures to check the coyote population. There are many areas of the country that have a bounty on them. They will pay you to take them out. (Google it) Coyotes have proven that if you wait until there is a problem with them, the problem then becomes,trying to get them in check.

 

Because of habitat loss, etc....they like other wildlife must be managed. And, I trust our Division of Wildlife management to do a good job of that. However, Coyotes are classified as vermin, not game animals, thus have a shoot on site label. And.. to shoot on site concerns me. By the definitions of many farmers I know, they would just as soon have NO deer, NO animals at all other than their livestock. I don't think this is a healthy attitude. And... you all know, we can find plenty of people who just like to shoot stuff.

Because of habitat loss, etc....they like other wildlife must be managed. And, I trust our Division of Wildlife management to do a good job of that. However, Coyotes are classified as vermin, not game animals, thus have a shoot on site label. And.. to shoot on site concerns me. By the definitions of many farmers I know, they would just as soon have NO deer, NO animals at all other than their livestock. I don't think this is a healthy attitude. And... you all know, we can find plenty of people who just like to shoot stuff.

I don't know many farmers who wouldn't prefer deer be gone. The farmer we lease some property from gives us 10 or 12 doe tags every year. He would give us 100 if he could get them. Deer cost them money so that's all they see.

 

As far as coyotes, there aren't enough people hunting to do any damage to the numbers. The majority are taken by deer hunters and they aren't normally taking more then a couple per year on average.

I don't why I keep letting myself get sucked in to these kinds of debates. Doomer, I understand you don't like to see anything get killed. Deer and coyotes are not being threatened by habitat loss. We never had a coyote problem around here until recent years. I like to hunt, you don't. I follow the law to the letter. It's not about killing for me. I enjoy the hunt. If I get a chance to take a nice buck, I'll give it my best shot. Does and small bucks are very safe around me. When it comes to never doing anything about over population of many animals. All I can say is, careful what you wish for.

Coyotes spread their range eastward from the Plains and Mountain West, filling the ecological niche of the gray wolf and red wolf, native species that no longer exist here. Researchers believe the migration of coyotes into the southeastern US began in the 1950s, with coyotes moving into Kentucky, from states to the north and southwest, in the 1970s.

 

Kentucky Department of Fish & Wildlife Coyotes

 

I have heard it said that just as little as 30 years ago coyotes in KY were pretty much non-existent. To go from that to having the things literally on every street corner should be more than alarming.

 

Think of them as a big rat doomer..I mean, really it's kind of what they are in a sense. And I bet you aren't adverse to killing a big old nasty rat.

For the record, and I have stated this before. I don't hunt, however I respect the rights of those who do. And I respect that people who hunt legally and respectfully are performing a necessary balancing act. As long as this balancing act is managed responsibly and not just to meet the economic wants of farmers and trophy hunters, then I am ok with it not that anyone gives a rat's posterior.

 

As stated above...there are many farmers who would eradicate all wildlife....I know some of them. As far as I am concerned these farmers think they own the land and have inalienable rights to do whatever they want with it, and my position is that all of us are just lessees here, and we need to preserve what we can for the next generation of tenants....and corn and soybean is cheap in the whole scheme of things.

I've never been hunting, but I'd think that getting a kill with a bow would be more satisfying than anything else...

Question for you hunters from a non-hunter: After this guy shot the three is there any kind of law or ordinance that he has to do something with them? Can he just leave them lay there and I guess eventually be eaten by some other animals or are you supposed to do something with everything you shoot and kill?

Originally Posted by hja1224

I shoot everyone I see along with several other types of varmints that eat eggs of turkey, quail, etc.. I went outside the other evening and it sounded like 50 of them from all sides going back and forth yelping. As soon as deer season ends I'm investing in better calls to hunt them. If nothing else it's more time in the woods where I could stay all day if given the chance. Nothing like being in the outdoors.

 

I am guessing these are supposed to be two words....but it's only a guess. :eek:

 

My apologies for missing the click of the spacebar.

Question for you hunters from a non-hunter: After this guy shot the three is there any kind of law or ordinance that he has to do something with them? Can he just leave them lay there and I guess eventually be eaten by some other animals or are you supposed to do something with everything you shoot and kill?

Not coyotes. Open season and considered vermin. Do what you want with them.

We've had them here in the city this past year in Paducah. People were finding the, in their yards and small pets were coming up missing in those areas. Coyotes are overpopulated.

Seeing Doomer in a hunting thread like me going into a soccer thread? Nothing anyone can say or do will change our view. :lol2:

I've seen several over the past couple of years in Villa Hills. Had 3 encounters while running early in the morning. It never really bothered me but I read a story where 3 of them attacked a man walking to work near St. Louis I believe. Animals will adapt and if these coyotes are in more populated areas and encounters with humans are more frequent who knows. I am not a hunter but have no problem with people hunting them and keeping their population in check. Especially for the farmers out there. Do what you got to do.

Light em up!

I don't why I keep letting myself get sucked in to these kinds of debates. Doomer, I understand you don't like to see anything get killed. Deer and coyotes are not being threatened by habitat loss. We never had a coyote problem around here until recent years. I like to hunt, you don't. I follow the law to the letter. It's not about killing for me. I enjoy the hunt. If I get a chance to take a nice buck, I'll give it my best shot. Does and small bucks are very safe around me. When it comes to never doing anything about over population of many animals. All I can say is, careful what you wish for.

 

Just to clarify: I don't think you have read my posts at all...you are making a presumption. I state, I won't kill it, but I respect the rights of responsible hunters. While, at the same time, I attempt to challenge our collective thinking to assure we are responsible in our methods and honest in our motivations. What I don't agree with is: pure trophy hunting, killing in excess, the farmer mentality of "my land to do as I please" and those who believe any wildlife is an infinite resources...not that there are any posters who I would accuse of belonging to any of these groups.

 

I live on a farm, and I am surrounded by farmland, woods and fields. It DOES bother me that I don't feel safe during hunting season walking on my own property. There are >1,000 people impacted by hunting accidents every year roughly 10% are fatal.

 

So, I don't believe in everyone's inalienable right to hunt....only those who are licensed and trained properly.

Doomer, very solid last post!

Do you happen to have any numbers on the amount of auto accidents that involve deer and the amount of human fatalities? I had an article once called 'deer camp' which I can no longer find, that showed the deer population trends without hunting. It was a great read done by an independant study.