I love you Dragonfire

I love you Dragonfire

 

He's running to be on school board next election.

 

If you'd ever like to see me get fired up over a subject, it would be on how the county is run and what they have done to Warren Central.

 

Simply put, in my opinion, they have too many schools.

 

Dragonfire, I didn't mean to get you stirred up, but honestly I'm glad I did because this catches me up to where things really are now in BG.

When you said "they have too many schools" did you mean they have too many schools for this school board to handle or they should build more schools in the county to accomodate the growth?

 

I also appreciate your candid take on this. You didn't cry (although if I were in your shoes and I remember the Joe Hood teams with Damon Hood, Chris Potter and the other awesome athletic teams that were around in my day I might) about it.

 

4A is the land of milk and honey; go forth and prosper! :thumb:

 

 

On the schools, I basically mean that if Warren County had planned correctly, they wouldn't need four high schools. In some ways I think they could get by with two, but if some thought that was too much to move into one, I'd say three max. From the latest KDE report cards (or the ones available when I did my research), Daviess County - a city/county of comparable size to Warren County - had around 3,000 less students in their district K-12. They have two high schools in that system. Granted, there is also a private school in addition to the independent, but still, two high schools in DCPS. The last one was built during the 70s. Oldham County is about 2,000 less students K-12. They have three high schools. Bullitt County has only 1,000 less students K-12. They have three high schools. Hardin County is larger by a couple hundred students. They have three high schools. Kenton County is larger by about 500 students. They have three high schools. Boone County is larger by about 6,500 students. And that's when it jumps to four high schools.

 

The point being that every county system of comparable size has the same or less. The benchmark for these other counties seems to be about 4,000-5,000 kids K-12 per high school, but the standard here dips much lower. The three school system we had wasn't perfect, but it was at least workable. What they've done now? That's not workable. ESPECIALLY when you consider how they gerrymandered the districts.

 

Since the consolidation era, Warren County has built a new school every 20 years or so. Heck, you can stretch it back even further. Warren County was built in 1951 (became Warren Central). Warren East in 1969. Greenwood in 1990. South Warren in 2010.

When you consider the size advantage that ST X has with 1500 or so boys (correct me if I'm wrong)...they should be dominating. Their history is richer but they should dominate. To me that makes BG's accomplishments that much more higher than what X has done. Really the fact that BG beat them 4 in a row is something that shouldn't happen at X. I have a feeling they will be turning it around, but my vote is BG here.

 

With the student body St. X can pull from they should be a bit more "dominate", but BG has done a great job in rolling with the times and transitioning to new age in football. Coach Griffith took the defense to another level and Coach Wallace moved to a spread offense, which was perfect for the players BG has.

 

St. X has not been as lucky, bouncing from different schemes over the last couple of years.

On the schools,ESPECIALLY when you consider how they gerrymandered the districts.

 

This has to be the phase of the day by Dragonfire!

 

Sounds very political to me. It has worked well for the Purples so I try to leave well enough alone, but if it went against me like I know it has your Dragons, I sympathize the issue. The biggest problem is that is seems open-ended with no direction or clear path into the future.

I think Dragonfire is trying to be nice and is trying not to say this: The Warren County School Board consistently over the years has hurt Warren County Schools more than help Warren County Schools. There is no way that spreading student athletes over 4 county schools will be able to compete with 1 city school. I think we would all agree with Dragonfire.

 

I do stand with how the Ky. Department of Education has agreed with BG City schools on "school choice." Is it BG's fault that a good amount of folks from the community want their child to attend BG? Would it be wrong if someone living in the city wanted their child to attend Greenwood?

 

I may have it all wrong but our community and nation has a lot bigger fish to fry than this issue. Who cares if a family wants to send their kid to another school. If anything, it should tell the school where the kid resides that apparently their is a reason that child is not going to go to your school. Competition is a good thing - it makes us better.

 

If BG City Schools ever see fit to build another city high school (they won't) they will build one. But like Dragonfire stated against the County schools building too many high schools - I think the city schools has done it right - renovate the elementary schools (even make them bigger) but do not build more schools. Funnel all of those kids into one high school.

 

Long story short: BG has done it right by keeping the 1 high school and is only going to get stronger on the gridiron.

 

Last point: No one will ever convince me otherwise that a lot of the reasoning behind the county school squabble was due to the separation that is occurring between the Purples and their County foes on the football field.

I think Dragonfire is trying to be nice and is trying not to say this: The Warren County School Board consistently over the years has hurt Warren County Schools more than help Warren County Schools. There is no way that spreading student athletes over 4 county schools will be able to compete with 1 city school. I think we would all agree with Dragonfire.

 

I do stand with how the Ky. Department of Education has agreed with BG City schools on "school choice." Is it BG's fault that a good amount of folks from the community want their child to attend BG? Would it be wrong if someone living in the city wanted their child to attend Greenwood?

 

I may have it all wrong but our community and nation has a lot bigger fish to fry than this issue. Who cares if a family wants to send their kid to another school. If anything, it should tell the school where the kid resides that apparently their is a reason that child is not going to go to your school. Competition is a good thing - it makes us better.

 

If BG City Schools ever see fit to build another city high school (they won't) they will build one. But like Dragonfire stated against the County schools building too many high schools - I think the city schools has done it right - renovate the elementary schools (even make them bigger) but do not build more schools. Funnel all of those kids into one high school.

 

Long story short: BG has done it right by keeping the 1 high school and is only going to get stronger on the gridiron.

 

Last point: No one will ever convince me otherwise that a lot of the reasoning behind the county school squabble was due to the separation that is occurring between the Purples and their County foes on the football field.

 

IMO it should be due to the fact that WC is turning into the inner city school that several parents refuse to send their kids to due to the diversity within. Also test scores, I think test scores for WC are a big deal.

 

But yeah, I'm pretty sure your reasoning, along with makeup of the Board, is probably spot on.

IMO it should be due to the fact that WC is turning into the inner city school that several parents refuse to send their kids to due to the diversity within. Also test scores, I think test scores for WC are a big deal.

 

But yeah, I'm pretty sure your reasoning, along with makeup of the Board, is probably spot on.

 

 

This is intriguing. I know some die hards who would never send their kids to BG but if Warren Central becomes the "eye sore" school I can see kids ending up at BG instead of other county schools.

This is intriguing. I know some die hards who would never send their kids to BG but if Warren Central becomes the "eye sore" school I can see kids ending up at BG instead of other county schools.

 

I think the Board realized how bad they screwed up drawing the new lines and went after BG to place the blame.

I think the Board realized how bad they screwed up drawing the new lines and went after BG to place the blame.

 

 

That makes sense. I'd do the same thing.

I would like to add that when county residents say they pay tuition to attend Bowling Green out of district , they are actually paying an administrative fee set by the Bowling Green school system. At one time the fee was somewhere in the 180 dollar range but I think it may be around 300 dollars. Actual out of district tuition for nearly every other school system in the state is around 4000 dollars. The current fee to attend BG city schools is hardly prohibitive for most families. I know a lot of families who attend BG who would and easily could afford the 4000 dollar tuition but the thought of actually paying that amount, like nearly every other district in the state, drives them nuts. At no time has the Warren County School system implied that families can't continue to send their children out of district to BG, they just are against the state dollars following these children in the numbers they have had in the past. I'm with DF that the Warren County school board has handled this and several others issues poorly. I whole heartedly endorse DF for school board ! I also feel BG has benefitted immensely athletically and academically

from the large number of out of students attending the school system for a relatively low financial cost. Other than private schools, I doubt there is another school in the state that fields teams with up to 30- 40 percent, depending on the sport, that are out of district kids. Still have to admire the run they've made in football the last 3-4 years.

I would like to add that when county residents say they pay tuition to attend Bowling Green out of district , they are actually paying an administrative fee set by the Bowling Green school system. At one time the fee was somewhere in the 180 dollar range but I think it may be around 300 dollars. Actual out of district tuition for nearly every other school system in the state is around 4000 dollars. The current fee to attend BG city schools is hardly prohibitive for most families. I know a lot of families who attend BG who would and easily could afford the 4000 dollar tuition but the thought of actually paying that amount, like nearly every other district in the state, drives them nuts. At no time has the Warren County School system implied that families can't continue to send their children out of district to BG, they just are against the state dollars following these children in the numbers they have had in the past. I'm with DF that the Warren County school board has handled this and several others issues poorly. I whole heartedly endorse DF for school board ! I also feel BG has benefitted immensely athletically and academically

from the large number of out of students attending the school system for a relatively low financial cost. Other than private schools, I doubt there is another school in the state that fields teams with up to 30- 40 percent, depending on the sport, that are out of district kids. Still have to admire the run they've made in football the last 3-4 years.

 

I agree there. Does BG benefit more academically from out of district students than athletically? Seeing the number of 328 out of district students at BGHS alone is a high number for the amount of students at the school. At the same time I imagine(speculate) that a good portion of those out of district students have been in the BG schools system since elementary school.

I agree there. Does BG benefit more academically from out of district students than athletically? Seeing the number of 328 out of district students at BGHS alone is a high number for the amount of students at the school. At the same time I imagine(speculate) that a good portion of those out of district students have been in the BG schools system since elementary school.

BG gets a big boost academically in that historically they get about 90 percent of the students from the K-8 private schools in BG in particular ST. josephs . One bone of contention from the county administrators was the priority list that BG uses placing the private school children high on that list. BG junior high test scores are pretty average but there is a nice jump at the High School level. Whether that is from an infusion of the private schools kids or an upgrade in instruction it's hard to say. Whether true or not, the county legal brief in the first hearing stated the average GPA of out of district students was 3.24 and in district was 2.59. It also stated 23 of the past 40 top ten in class for past 4 years were out of district students. Don't know how they obtained GPA's and probably don't want to know but these were the numbers they presented.

BG gets a big boost academically in that historically they get about 90 percent of the students from the K-8 private schools in BG in particular ST. josephs . One bone of contention from the county administrators was the priority list that BG uses placing the private school children high on that list. BG junior high test scores are pretty average but there is a nice jump at the High School level. Whether that is from an infusion of the private schools kids or an upgrade in instruction it's hard to say. Whether true or not, the county legal brief in the first hearing stated the average GPA of out of district students was 3.24 and in district was 2.59. It also stated 23 of the past 40 top ten in class for past 4 years were out of district students. Don't know how they obtained GPA's and probably don't want to know but these were the numbers they presented.

 

Wow. That's good stuff. Thanks for the info.

 

 

Side note: I went to St. Joe's also.

fields teams with up to 30- 40 percent, depending on the sport, that are out of district kids.

I call shenanigans. Prove that. Everything else you said seems detailed and factual, then you go to vague numbers and opinion.