No. It's kind of like OJ Simpson to me. He was acquitted of murder but everyone still thinks he is guilty of murder. Cordia going to court and winning won't change my opinion and it likely won't change anyone's opinion. If the reasoning behind going to court is to 'clear their name' then IMO that is pretty stupid and a waste of time and money.

 

The fact that 17 of 27 allegations have stuck tells me a lot of monkey business is/was/believed to be going on. A victory in court isn't going to change my opinion of that. It just tells me they won a court case.

 

That's not the point I'm trying to make.

 

You know what's like OJ Simpson to me? The number of other programs across the State that get transfers motivated in large part by athletics who give a number of other reasons why the kids are attending there so they are eligible.

 

Going to court would probably change very few people's minds, but a court isn't going to let fans vote on whether or not they think Cordia should play either. People can think what they want to, it might be while watching them play 15 games or it might be while watching them in the post season, but what people think and what the reality of the situation winds up being could be two very different things.

Considering that every kid who goes there has scholarship money (at least in some amount) when they enroll in college, I think you can do worse.

 

I don't think you are very familiar with Cordia, the Lotts Creek Community School, etc., if you are thinking that consolidation is on their minds.

Nope,,I really have not spent much time there lately....

That's not the point I'm trying to make.

 

You know what's like OJ Simpson to me? The number of other programs across the State that get transfers motivated in large part by athletics who give a number of other reasons why the kids are attending there so they are eligible.

 

Going to court would probably change very few people's minds, but a court isn't going to let fans vote on whether or not they think Cordia should play either. People can think what they want to, it might be while watching them play 15 games or it might be while watching them in the post season, but what people think and what the reality of the situation winds up being could be two very different things.

 

Blah blah blah everyone else does it blah blah blah. That kills your whole argument everytime you bring that up.

Is there a "money tree" out back in Lotts Creek?

 

No small school in Eastern Kentucky could ever have a little money, right?

 

I'm going to venture a guess that Cordia will be able to keep the lights on.

 

Here's the firm they hired: Lexington Attorneys | Louisville Kentucky Lawyers | MMLK.

 

 

I don't get the part of it where people are adamant that they are buying kids all kinds of plane tickets, clothes, moving them, paying rent, all that, but then a segment from that same group always makes some kind of comment later insinuating that they are dead broke.

 

Which is it? If you have all the money stashed away to do the things being claimed, then you can probably spare some more in attorney's fees too. If you can't pay to take the fight to court, then you probably don't have the money to buy all of the advantages that they're percieved to have had.

Boom, nailed it!

 

So if he nailed it then why go to court? Based on what smallhoops said Cordia will lose in court. Waste of time.

Blah blah blah everyone else does it blah blah blah. That kills your whole argument everytime you thing that up.

 

 

So you are saying no other schools do it? Is that what I'm hearing?

 

I thought the OJ Simpson thing was a good analogy about how what people percieve and what ends up going down can diverge greatly.

So you are saying no other schools do it? Is that what I'm hearing?

 

I thought the OJ Simpson thing was a good analogy about how what people percieve and what ends up going down can diverge greatly.

 

No. I'm saying other schools that get brought up on 27 allegations of illegal activity usually pay a price. Your insistence that nothing should happen to Cordia because everyone else does it is still

baffling. Holler at me when someone else has 27 allegations brought against them and the KHSAA does nothing. The KHSAA threw out 10 of them and kept 17. They reduced their super stiff penalties pretty significantly. No one was fired or ordered out yet I shouldn't view Cordia the way I do because 'other schools do it too'?

 

Come on, Joker. That makes no sense. Everytime a kid is ruled eligible everyone whines about the KHSAA not getting it right. Now the KHSAA is trying to get it right and now it's take them to court. I'm sooooooo confused. :lol2:

So if he nailed it then why go to court? Based on what smallhoops said Cordia will lose in court. Waste of time.

 

I didn't take it that way. They may not grant an interlocutory appeal to let them play while the case is being decided, but I don't think that means they've lost any hope of a favorable verdict just because of that. That's how I interpreted what smallhoops was saying.

I didn't take it that way. They may not grant an interlocutory appeal to let them play while the case is being decided, but I don't think that means they've lost any hope of a favorable verdict just because of that. That's how I interpreted what smallhoops was saying.

 

What would a favorable verdict be? That's my point. What do they gain by going to court?

So you are saying no other schools do it? Is that what I'm hearing?

 

I thought the OJ Simpson thing was a good analogy about how what people percieve and what ends up going down can diverge greatly.

You comparing what Cordia did to all other schools in the state do is like comparing a driver driving his car through a crowded mall hitting over a hundred people with a guy who was backing out of his driveway without using the turn signal as he turned out onto the street. Both are breaking the driving laws but one is just a bit more severe don't you think?

I don't know whether they will lose or win. I think they improved their chances of winning by the actions they took today. Generally, administrative action such as that taken by the KHSAA is reviewed by a court under n arbitrary and capricious standard, meaning that the administrative action will be upheld so long as the administrative agency did not act arbitrarily or capriciously with regard to the action taken. Rejecting some of the charges and reducing the penalties looks less like arbitrary action than if they simply went along with the Commissioner's recommendations.

 

My main point was that there is not much downside with filing suit. They've hired a good firm with good lawyers with plenty of experience in administrative cases. A judge will hear the evidence and we'll see what happens.

That B.O.C. Is a complete joke it is a rubber stamp for the commishner and anybody that doesn't think so is out of touch with reality. They reinstated cordia because they were scared. I don't know for sure I think they will take it to court because several violations they found them guilty of they do not even have by laws against. That is why they will win in court.

That B.O.C. Is a complete joke it is a rubber stamp for the commishner and anybody that doesn't think so is out of touch with reality. They reinstated cordia because they were scared. I don't know for sure I think they will take it to court because several violations they found them guilty of they do not even have by laws against. That is why they will win in court.

 

What will they win in court?

If I robbed 10 banks and was facing 50 years in prison but the jury determined that I only robbed 1 bank and sentenced me to 2 years in prison...I'd probably just take the 2 years and count my blessings. Or something like that.

What would a favorable verdict be? That's my point. What do they gain by going to court?

 

What do they have to lose? The Judge isn't going to increase the penalties.

 

A favorable verdict would be reduction of the postseason ban to one year, a reduction in the fine, an increase in games, or outright overturning the majority of the penalties.

 

We've seen this same song and dance before. KHSAA declares Cordia player ineligible. Appeal to KHSAA is denied. Cordia goes to Franklin Circuit. Cordia players are eligible because the court says so.

 

Hudson's people being some of the key witnesses and Hazard getting no penalties isn't going to look good in Court when they try dropping the hammer on Cordia for buying him a plane ticket. If Cordia was buying him plane tickets but he left, what do you think someone might conclude he left for? Sounds like he had a pretty sweet deal where he was.

 

As LionPride has stated, the clothes were for a kid who was already at Cordia. It isn't wasn't some star athlete, but the KHSAA wanted everyone to hear the news when it broke and conclude that Cordia was decking their transfers out in new clothes.

 

Wanna make a bet with me that if a Judge takes the time to hear the case and doesn't immediately dismiss it, then that Judge won't agree wholesale with the KHSAA's findings? The KHSAA isn't going to go tell a Judge how high to jump and not to question their authority, but if they do, then that's probably even that much better for Cordia.

 

Everyone is still writing them off, but they've beaten the KHSAA in court twice already. Other schools don't even have to sue to get their transfers eligible. The courts have twice told the KHSAA to let Cordia's kids play. Now the KHSAA has stuck them with penalties, and they are back before the court. How do you think that's going to play with the courts? The courts have told the KHSAA to back off of them twice in consecutive years, and now they're back again with something else. Can you see why I might think this might play out like the parent whose has warned a kid twice, and now has to tell them a third time to listen? I'm sure the KHSAA might feel like the courts are usurping them, but the courts may feel the same way about the KHSAA at this point.

 

I'm not the end-all, be-all on this stuff, but I have a feeling that this whole court thing just isn't going to play like lots of people responding are thinking it is.

 

If the KHSAA can't even convince their own Board of Control that 1/3 of the penalties they initially charged were there, why in the hell does anyone think that they're going to have the courts in complete agreement with them?