Sounds that way

I guess it doesn't to you. Not expecting that you'd feel otherwise.

 

OK to finish what I was going to post:

 

I don't expect you to feel otherwise because either by training or nature (which likely makes you good at your job), there is very little, if any "grey area". It either is, or it isn't for you.

 

For some, like myself, I feel there is a large grey area of varying hues.

 

So, I wonder why there is apathy. Is it because they have given up? Is the precinct filled with people who may have lost their voting privileges due to felony convictions (not sure what the law is in MO regarding that). Have blacks tried to run but not had the financial and public support of their community to be effective in a campaign? Are blacks not running at all?

 

If, as you say, blacks are not interested in Law Enforcement as a career, why is that? By the way, I found that statement surprising because I know quite a few black LEO's. But, again, why are the not considering it in Ferguson? Is it because of some of the same things I mentioned with regard to running for office?

 

I just think simple apathy is, well, too simple Things LEAD to apathetic behavior in my experience.

Trust. I don't expect a race war to break out. I just see us all as a people becoming more and more divided each day. Obama's run as POTUS has set the seeds for that division. The debate and argument about his time as president will always be an intense debate and the lines in the sand are being drawn as we speak.

 

I agree with that.

 

Do you think the debate about his Presidency will be because a lot feel he is/was not even close to ready for the job?

 

Or will it be race?

 

Or both?

 

OK to finish what I was going to post:

 

I don't expect you to feel otherwise because either by training or nature (which likely makes you good at your job), there is very little, if any "grey area". It either is, or it isn't for you.

 

For some, like myself, I feel there is a large grey area of varying hues.

 

So, I wonder why there is apathy. Is it because they have given up? Is the precinct filled with people who may have lost their voting privileges due to felony convictions (not sure what the law is in MO regarding that). Have blacks tried to run but not had the financial and public support of their community to be effective in a campaign? Are blacks not running at all?

 

If, as you say, blacks are not interested in Law Enforcement as a career, why is that? By the way, I found that statement surprising because I know quite a few black LEO's. But, again, why are the not considering it in Ferguson? Is it because of some of the same things I mentioned with regard to running for office?

 

I just think simple apathy is, well, too simple Things LEAD to apathetic behavior in my experience.

 

I read a first hand account of an officer involved in the riots who said black officers were treated worse than anyone there. He said the rioters/looters/protesters berated the white officers for being white, threatened them and claimed they were going to find their wives and rape them. But they still treated the black officers worse. He said they called them "uncle toms" and several other things that I won't say here. Not sure but that might have something to do with it.

I read a first hand account of an officer involved in the riots who said black officers were treated worse than anyone there. He said the rioters/looters/protesters berated the white officers for being white, threatened them and claimed they were going to find their wives and rape them. But they still treated the black officers worse. He said they called them "uncle toms" and several other things that I won't say here. Not sure but that might have something to do with it.

 

I still want to find out WHY. This isn't just about this week. What is the history in Ferguson between its citizens and its police? And why aren't black citizens in Ferguson involved in the decision making in their community to a greater degree?

How exactly are the two countries comparatively similar?

 

Wealthy, post-industrial, Western democracies.

I still want to find out WHY. This isn't just about this week. What is the history in Ferguson between its citizens and its police? And why aren't black citizens in Ferguson involved in the decision making in their community to a greater degree?

 

Maybe you should hop in your fuel efficient vehicle and head up there to get your answers, because obviously no answer on here will appease you. While I'm not black, I think a big deterrent in getting black applicants is they don't want the perception of being an Uncle Tom, etc.

Wealthy, post-industrial, Western democracies.

 

 

Since when is the a United Kingdom a "western democracy"? Last I heard the UK's form of government was Constitutional Monarchy with a parliamentary system.

While I'm not black, I think a big deterrent in getting black applicants is they don't want the perception of being an Uncle Tom, etc.

 

Any African American that is educated enough to become a LEO couldn't care less about being called an Uncle Tom, I'm pretty confident in that.

Since when is the a United Kingdom a "western democracy"? Last I heard the UK's form of government was Constitutional Monarchy with a parliamentary system.

 

It's a parliamentary democracy instead of a presidential system, but their citizens vote for their representatives in free and fair elections, which is the broad and accepted definition of a "democracy."

Any African American that is educated enough to become a LEO couldn't care less about being called an Uncle Tom, I'm pretty confident in that.

 

I hope you're right. The only thing I've ever been able to hypothesize is the judging from peers. I know a lot of black firefighters and they'd all make great officers and command staff IMO, but none chose law enforcement. In your opinion, why do you think so few want to be cops?

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If true, this sheds a different light on the incident

I hope you're right. The only thing I've ever been able to hypothesize is the judging from peers. I know a lot of black firefighters and they'd all make great officers and command staff IMO, but none chose law enforcement. In your opinion, why do you think so few want to be cops?

 

I'd be lying if I said I didn't think race had anything to do with it, I'm just not sure to what extent. I don't think it's the Uncle Tom angle, but maybe the fact that a large portion of the black community feels slighted by Law Enforcement for whatever reason. That's not to say that you aren't right that some people don't want to be an officer for fear of being an Uncle Tom, I'm sure that does happen. Being a cop has never been "popular" in the black community. A lot of black people try to avoid the police like the plague. I certainly have felt like I've been targeted by the police for being bi-racial, but that wouldn't keep me from becoming a cop. I've honestly considered it a couple times.

 

My dad was a firefighter, just retired two years ago. I've honestly never asked him why he chose the Fire Department over the Police...

I read a first hand account of an officer involved in the riots who said black officers were treated worse than anyone there. He said the rioters/looters/protesters berated the white officers for being white, threatened them and claimed they were going to find their wives and rape them. But they still treated the black officers worse. He said they called them "uncle toms" and several other things that I won't say here. Not sure but that might have something to do with it.

 

Any African American that is educated enough to become a LEO couldn't care less about being called an Uncle Tom, I'm pretty confident in that.

 

Do you think this was made up, or do you think it has no bearing on how those guys being treated worse feel about how they are accepted their friends, family, community, etc. I hate being assumed to be something just by how I provide for my family. I'm sure these guys are no different.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't think race had anything to do with it, I'm just not sure to what extent. I don't think it's the Uncle Tom angle, but maybe the fact that a large portion of the black community feels slighted by Law Enforcement for whatever reason. That's not to say that you aren't right that some people don't want to be an officer for fear of being an Uncle Tom, I'm sure that does happen. Being a cop has never been "popular" in the black community. A lot of black people try to avoid the police like the plague. I certainly have felt like I've been targeted by the police for being bi-racial, but that wouldn't keep me from becoming a cop. I've honestly considered it a couple times.

 

My dad was a firefighter, just retired two years ago. I've honestly never asked him why he chose the Fire Department over the Police...

 

 

I think you and I have the same thought process on this. And I appreciate your dad's service to the community. Takes good people to be willing to risk their lives to save others.