A new off group of Al Qaeda that even the real Al Qaeda stays away from since they are so much stricter. They have take major cities with weapons we left the army we tried to train? But since we left so soon we will probably have to go back.

 

Second Iraq city falls to Al Qaeda-aligned militants | Fox News

Said, but Gen Chencheki (sp?) was correct. Unfortunately we have to be the worlds police. As long as those countries pay for the help I have no issue.

A new off group of Al Qaeda that even the real Al Qaeda stays away from since they are so much stricter. They have take major cities with weapons we left the army we tried to train? But since we left so soon we will probably have to go back.

 

Second Iraq city falls to Al Qaeda-aligned militants | Fox News

 

I don't see how you can say we left "too soon." We were there for ten years. The truth is we opened this door and it will never be closed again.

10 years to change everything that needed fixed wasn't enough time. Now the Iraq government is asking us for air strikes.

So we had been in Iraq for too long, but now it wasn't long enough. Got it.

"Would you miss it?"

Sometimes you have to utterly destroy the enemy and leave no remnant behind to rid yourself of future trouble . We could leave the Middle East with the truthful threat of " you attack us on our soil and we will nuke your country and leave no one behind " I know that sounds harsh but wars are won by force . Like whatever force is called for . Am I crazy ? The idea of being peace keepers / police in _____ astan has disaster written all over it .

^ The problem is that we really don't know where or who they are. Al-Qaeda doesn't have a country. Who do we bomb? Where? Just float over a nuclear missile to someplace in Iraq and hope that makes everything better? And how many more enemies do you create operating that way? Is that our new modus operandi as a nation? Wholesale slaughter of everyone we can find that might be a problem because we can't think of anything better?

 

Scipio burned Carthage to the ground and salted the Earth. Rome still fell and was under assault from weaker opponents every single day of its centuries of hegemony despite cruelty and overwhelming force.

^ The problem is that we really don't know where or who they are. Al-Qaeda doesn't have a country. Who do we bomb? Where? Just float over a nuclear missile to someplace in Iraq and hope that makes everything better? And how many more enemies do you create operating that way? Is that our new modus operandi as a nation? Wholesale slaughter of everyone we can find that might be a problem because we can't think of anything better?

 

Scipio burned Carthage to the ground and salted the Earth. Rome still fell and was under assault from weaker opponents every single day of its centuries of hegemony despite cruelty and overwhelming force.

 

 

The problem is that people don't try to understand there is not ONE Middle East but several. Each different than the other and not based on national boundaries but tribal histories and religious distinctions. It's like Iraq. The US toppled the Sunni government it deemed a threat but that some govt kept the Shiite's in check in Iran. Now the Shiite govt we installed is being attacked by militant Sunni's who were both "kicked out" and have gone more "Al Quaida" than the "Al Quaida" we knew.

 

I won't even talk about the Kurds, the Saudi's and the other branches and groups that make up "The Middle East."

10 years to change everything that needed fixed wasn't enough time. Now the Iraq government is asking us for air strikes.

 

Tell me how often "propped up" governments take? Do they ever last? South Vietnam? Warsaw Pact Nations? Shah in Iran?

 

Has regime change ever worked in the long run?

I've said it a dozen times: If Muslims do not have Americans to kill, they just kill each other.. Let them have at it..

Tell me how often "propped up" governments take? Do they ever last? South Vietnam? Warsaw Pact Nations? Shah in Iran?

 

Has regime change ever worked in the long run?

 

Your right

Get everyone out and let them go after each other, drill in Anwr…said it on another thread. 4,000 lives is way too many and we had no chance to affect any kind of change there…none. Terrible foreign policy for many years, Bush, Obama, all of it. Enough already.

 

I do know one thing, turning 5 more leaders loose to be closer to the action and embolden the effort is not the correct answer. Neither was promising ahead of time that we were pulling out. Beyond stupid at this point. I pray that no other American has to lose their life in that POC arena.

I've said it a dozen times: If Muslims do not have Americans to kill, they just kill each other.. Let them have at it..

 

Or you have to have a strong non-dogmatic leader (who usually comes to power in a ruthless manner).

 

Egypt was stable - till the administration helped depose of Mubarak. Its not on fire since the military stepped in as is historically the case in Egypt in times of turmoil.

Libya was stable - till the administration helped depose of Gaddafi. It is now in chaos. Western countries are pulling out.

Syria was stable - but the administration keeps backing 'rebels' - many of which (as with Egypt and Libya) are from outside the country. Assad has no where to go and he will continue to fight brutally.

Or you have to have a strong non-dogmatic leader (who usually comes to power in a ruthless manner).

 

Egypt was stable - till the administration helped depose of Mubarak. Its not on fire since the military stepped in as is historically the case in Egypt in times of turmoil.

Libya was stable - till the administration helped depose of Gaddafi. It is now in chaos. Western countries are pulling out.

Syria was stable - but the administration keeps backing 'rebels' - many of which (as with Egypt and Libya) are from outside the country. Assad has no where to go and he will continue to fight brutally.

 

But it's for the children. And freedom.