Harry Reid says Bundy supporters are domestic terrorists

[jvdfc]

They are just like Timothy McVeigh and the terrorist militia groups and Cliven Bundy is just a common thief .

 

Good grief.

[hidinout]

Equating a known slaughterer of innocent people to a guy standing up for his cattle ? No wonder that poster has zero credibility and no one listens to his/her opinions anymore .

[woodsrider]

You have missed the point.

 

The federal Bureau of Land Management is trying to advance their power over state-controlled lands. Mr. Bundy is contesting their authority. He has said repeatedly he will pay fees to the proper authorities, the state, who owns the land. We are the United STATES of America, not the United Soviet Socialist Republic of America. Sometimes it takes the one man to take a stand for what is right, and that is what Mr. Bundy believes he is doing.

 

Mooooo, keep right on following the herd.

I thought it was federal land his cattle were on?

[doomer]

I thought it was federal land his cattle were on?

 

That is what the battle is about. It was state land, and the federal government is seeking to take over control of it. It is a battle about federal versus state rights. Most politicians and people just bend over and give up because the federal government can make life so miserable, but Cliven Bundy has refused to give up the fight.

 

And I can guarantee you that this $million dollars of fees owed the federal government is pure waste from Bundy's cattle. I have seen personally how the government works. Even if they screw up your tax deposit, you get a bill for their error, plus penalties/penalties/penalties, interest/interest/interest, and a $1 bill is $100 before you can shake a stick.

 

The federal government has too much power already, and they are looking for more.

[doomer]

Arizona Official: Cliven Bundy's Acts Are Legal

 

Arizona Official: Cliven Bundy's Acts Are Legal

Monday, 21 Apr 2014 04:01 PM

 

By Joe Battaglia

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The Nevada cattle rancher at the center of a land dispute with the federal government should not have to surrender his property, an Arizona official says, because he has been acting within the boundaries of the law.

 

Barry Weller, vice chairman of the Apache County Board of Supervisors, told J.D. Hayworth and John Bachman on "America's Forum" Monday on Newsmax TV that he thinks Cliven Bundy was right in standing up to the Bureau of Land Management, which sought to seize his ranch.

 

Bundy says his family has homesteaded since 1877 on the land, which the federal government says belongs to the United States. As part of a conservation effort to protect the endangered desert tortoise, the Bureau of Land Management banned cattle grazing on the land in 1989. Bundy continued to graze his cattle and refused to pay fines levied against him, calling the federal policy a land grab.

 

The case is similar to another in Nevada, in which Wayne Hage won a protracted battle with the federal government by successfully arguing that he had the right to graze his cows within two miles of water sources he developed.

 

"The Bundys and the Hages are standing on what's called their water rights and their grazing rights," which, Weller said, "were pre-existing in territorial times, long before the government took over and these states became states and these water rights are mentioned, and any federal law or policy act that comes thereafter is always stated, 'subject to pre-existing rights.'

 

"So, when people say they're not legally doing what they're doing, they are. They are doing what they're supposed to be doing: standing for their rights," Weller said.

 

 

 

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[Bluegrasscard]

I thought it was federal land his cattle were on?

 

'Public lands' would be more correct I believe. These public lands are to be 'administered' by the BLM. The federal government did not buy the land.

[2 Humped Camel]

From what I've read, Mr. Bundy has had decades of due process and has lost multiple times. The court has ruled the lands are owned and have always been owned by the Federal government. He is clearly in the wrong but because he doesn't like the federal government he is not going to abide by the courts decision. It amazes me how many people can get behind someone who is clearly such a free loader that lacks respect for our country and it's judicial system.

[Dlbdonn]

Equating a known slaughterer of innocent people to a guy standing up for his cattle ? No wonder that poster has zero credibility and no one listens to his/her opinions anymore .

When did they ever ?

[Bluegrasscard]

From what I've read, Mr. Bundy has had decades of due process and has lost multiple times. The court has ruled the lands are owned and have always been owned by the Federal government. He is clearly in the wrong but because he doesn't like the federal government he is not going to abide by the courts decision. It amazes me how many people can get behind someone who is clearly such a free loader that lacks respect for our country and it's judicial system.

 

That's probably what King George thought about the pesky American colonists.

[2 Humped Camel]

That's probably what King George thought about the pesky American colonists.

 

Probably except those colonist didn't have pesky things like a consitution, due process or a representative government.

[Bluegrasscard]

Probably except those colonist didn't have pesky things like a consitution, due process or a representative government.

 

They also did not have a government functions that gives 'public land' to foreign national companies after a Senator cuts a deal.

[2 Humped Camel]

It's the governments land I guess they can do with it as they please. I'm sure you'd be A ok with it if the government was giving land for the use of a pipeline. This is 100% politics and it's silly.

[Builder1214]

From what I've read, Mr. Bundy has had decades of due process and has lost multiple times. The court has ruled the lands are owned and have always been owned by the Federal government. He is clearly in the wrong but because he doesn't like the federal government he is not going to abide by the courts decision. It amazes me how many people can get behind someone who is clearly such a free loader that lacks respect for our country and it's judicial system.

 

Federal Law also makes it illegal to smoke and possess marijuana, but the federal government has chosen not to enforce that law in Colorado. I think if this was as simple as some guy not paying his grazing fees, there wouldn't be any support for him. The battle is about government overreach for personal financial gain.

[Bluegrasscard]

It's the governments land I guess they can do with it as they please. I'm sure you'd be A ok with it if the government was giving land for the use of a pipeline. This is 100% politics and it's silly.

 

It is not the 'government's land'.

 

It is public land that is administered by a function of the Federal government. The government never condemned it and paid anyone for it.

 

Given how we talk about the government being something different than the people I guess Mr. Lincoln would be disappointed. It seems that 'government of the people, by the people and for the people' has perished from this Earth.

[2 Humped Camel]

Federal Law also makes it illegal to smoke and possess marijuana, but the federal government has chosen not to enforce that law in Colorado. I think if this was as simple as some guy not paying his grazing fees, there wouldn't be any support for him. The battle is about government overreach for personal financial gain.

 

It's not overreach, they own the land, he refuses to pay grazing fees and after years of due process they removed his cattle. He is the one who refused to pay thereby being a free loader on the peoples assets which I thought conservatives hated. Let's not forget this has been going on for 20 years with multiple court decisions.