As with most blanket statements, I believe this was an ignorant thing to say. Still, I admire him greatly for what he accomplished in the face of a tremendous amount of racism hurled at him along the way. I wish he felt differently but I can't say that I wouldn't feel the same way in his shoes.

As with most blanket statements, I believe this was an ignorant thing to say. Still, I admire him greatly for what he accomplished in the face of a tremendous amount of racism hurled at him along the way. I wish he felt differently but I can't say that I wouldn't feel the same way in his shoes.

 

Bingo.

I'm not playing and nor have I ever played the race game. And in over 1300 posts (many of which I'm sure you've read), I don't think I've ever made a reference to my race/nationality. Feel free to go back and check. My only point is that so many people are so quick to accuse someone of playing the race card, or race baiting, because "slavery happened a long time ago" and things are so much better now, don't really understand that while things have improved dramatically, there is still a long way to go. As you mentioned before, there are a lot of issues and reasons as to why things happen. But to ignore that race isn't still a big deciding issue is ignoring the elephant in the room. Like the example of most black youths being murdered by black youth. That shouldn't be characterized as just a black issue...it's should be a societal issue. We as a society need to look at why minorities are underepresented in positions of power and authority, and other disparities are taking place.

 

I never ignore race but when it is used over and over it becomes exhausting and has less influence. Do I think race plays a factor propably a minor factor. Call me naive but I think a large majority of people make decisions and take actions without race in mind. It is always assumed when a black and white person are involved in a situation race must be a factor or the race factor is discussed. If the same action took place between two people of the same race we wouldn't blink an eye.

 

I think the media's love of all things racial is holding back this country on racial issues more than anything. The average joe on the corner has to many other things to worry about than race. These are faux stories and agenda's created to push a point of view.

 

I agree black on black crime is a society issue. It goes back to my earlier post though that anytime someone from Republican side of the aisle who happens to be white wants to help or gives a suggestion they are attacked and painted as a racist. It's hard for it to be a societal issue when the black community refuses to except criticism or help from half the country.

I never ignore race but when it is used over and over it becomes exhausting and has less influence. Do I think race plays a factor propably a minor factor. Call me naive but I think a large majority of people make decisions and take actions without race in mind. It is always assumed when a black and white person are involved in a situation race must be a factor or the race factor is discussed. If the same action took place between two people of the same race we wouldn't blink an eye.

 

I think the media's love of all things racial is holding back this country on racial issues more than anything. The average joe on the corner has to many other things to worry about than race. These are faux stories and agenda's created to push a point of view.

 

I agree black on black crime is a society issue. It goes back to my earlier post though that anytime someone from Republican side of the aisle who happens to be white wants to help or gives a suggestion they are attacked and painted as a racist. It's hard for it to be a societal issue when the black community refuses to except criticism or help from half the country.

 

 

Minor factor or not unfortunately race is still a factor sometimes.

 

I disagree with the sentence the black community refuses to accept criticism or help from half the country. Nobody black or white is doing enough to stop it. I'll also add that what works in New York may not work in Chicago. And then I'll add that the country wouldn't get behind the efforts it would take on the average citizen's behalf to end black on black violence.

I never knew that or even had an inkling he was a racist.

 

Pretty much every interview I can remember him giving he's come across as having a deep hatred for white people. And as I mentioned, he had to endure things that we can't even imagine, so I see where he's coming from, but he needs to realize he can't label all white people as racist, or he's the same as those he's labeling.

And then when you see other conservative like Ted Nugent, who while he doesn't represent the majority of conservative views, still manages to get a stage, and makes remarks like calling Obama a "subhuman mongrel", and not one leader steps up and renounces him, it's pretty easy to how conservatives are not in favor among minority communities.

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Minor factor or not unfortunately race is still a factor sometimes.

 

I disagree with the sentence the black community refuses to accept criticism or help from half the country. Nobody black or white is doing enough to stop it. I'll also add that what works in New York may not work in Chicago. And then I'll add that the country wouldn't get behind the efforts it would take on the average citizen's behalf to end black on black violence.

 

I agree with what your saying. I just don't know what as a society that can be done until the community itself helps it self. I would love to here your ideas because I'm open to anything. Is wrong to argue most the black on black crime goes back to gang violence? That is my perception but I could be wrong. How do you stop black youths from joining gangs. It all comes back to economics. It's the same reason Irish,Italian,and Jewish immigrants all used to have street gangs in urban areas in the late 19th and early to mid 20th century. People want money and they want the fastest way possible to make that money.

 

The key is jobs , but how do you bring those jobs into urban areas where the violence is committed while the violence is still going on. Education and money, is like the chicken and egg conversation. Jobs won't go into the neighborhood while the violence is going on and the violence won't quit until we have job alternatives for those youths.

Minor factor or not unfortunately race is still a factor sometimes.

 

I disagree with the sentence the black community refuses to accept criticism or help from half the country. Nobody black or white is doing enough to stop it. I'll also add that what works in New York may not work in Chicago. And then I'll add that the country wouldn't get behind the efforts it would take on the average citizen's behalf to end black on black violence.

 

What do you think it would take? I'll always support ending violence...

At the same time, I couldn't name any proven racist republicans.

 

 

Edit-didn't realize we were talking about people who don't matter anymore.

I understand what you are saying, but they do matter. Sanger's legacy is quite extensive to say the least.

Blanket statement.

When I say the "left", I don't mean every person that votes Democrat. I am referring to the leaders of the "left".

I'm guessing Ronald Reagan. Black people feel like the War on Drugs was really the War on Black People. That feeling has been spoken of loudly in the black community since the 80s.

 

That's my guess.

 

I would go earlier than that to the Kennedy administration. The Kennedy's were (rich) liberal Massachusett's democrats. But, they also strongly supported civil rights, and thus an association.

May have found an answer to my own question:

 

By the time John Kennedy and Richard Nixon met to debate in the 1960 presidential campaign, the civil rights issue could not be ignored. Both candidates sympathized with the plight of African Americans, but failed to provide solutions to the problem. During the campaign, Martin Luther King Jr.was arrested in Atlanta for a sit-in and sentenced to four months hard labor. His friends worried that he would be lynched while in prison. Kennedy called Mrs. King directly and offered his sympathy; meanwhile, his brother Bobby called the judge in Georgia and King was released on bail a few days later. This incident drew little mainstream press, but the African American community was well aware of it. Martin Luther King Sr., who had endorsed Nixon earlier, switched allegiances. “This man was willing to wipe the tears from my daughter[-in-law]'s eyes,” he said. “I’ve got a suitcase of votes, and I’m going to take them to Mr. Kennedy.” The black vote was pivotal in the swing states of Illinois, Michigan and South Carolina that Kennedy carried.

When I say the "left", I don't mean every person that votes Democrat. I am referring to the leaders of the "left".

 

I needed to be sure. I don't want to be lumped in with people I don't know of.

What do you think it would take? I'll always support ending violence...

 

It will take more than people want to do.

 

-rebuild all of the inner cities in large metropolitan areas and make them suitable places to live

 

-reform the education system in inner cities and ensure inner city kids are receiving a proper education

 

-job training programs for inner city families who are stuck in the cycle of never being able to leave the ghetto

 

-more welfare and food stamps for the poor

 

-a true effort from all politicians to make a difference and concerted effort to end black on black violence

As with most blanket statements, I believe this was an ignorant thing to say. Still, I admire him greatly for what he accomplished in the face of a tremendous amount of racism hurled at him along the way. I wish he felt differently but I can't say that I wouldn't feel the same way in his shoes.

 

My feelings also.

 

And maybe this is a blanket statement - it wouldn't be the first in this thread - but all things considered, I'm more likely to give the "oppressee" some slack than the "oppressor".