Really?, non drug using black people were against ridding their communities of drugs?

 

"War on drugs" started under Nixon...and everybody hates Nixon...maybe that's where it started?

 

Reagan's biggest initiatives in the War on Drugs was battling Drugs on the other end and using the CIA and Military to interdict drugs at the source (Columbia and So America) not so much domestically.

 

Just a guess. That's a whole other thread though.

if Hank Aaron wants to come to my house and see my sheet, its on the bed and its a dark red color, I have never wore it.

 

I think these discussions are good, but in reality Hank Aaron has mislabeled a huge group of people. Why? No clue, only thing I get from some is what he lived through. If thats the case then he is a racist and doesnt like me since Im white and a republican and has never met me.

His opinion on politics doesn't matter to me. Would love to talk hitting with him, though. Of course, I'm "Equinsu Ocha" so that may not work.

 

:lol2: :lol2:

 

Just tell him you are a democrat. Seems like you'll get a pass then. :lol2:

if Hank Aaron wants to come to my house and see my sheet, its on the bed and its a dark red color, I have never wore it.

 

I think these discussions are good, but in reality Hank Aaron has mislabeled a huge group of people. Why? No clue, only thing I get from some is what he lived through. If thats the case then he is a racistand doesnt like me since Im white and a republican and has never met me.

 

I honestly have thought the bolded has been well-known for quite a while.

It probably did start with Nixon and his southern strategy. I also think you are over simplifying the war on drugs comment. There are big differences in sentencing for crack and cocaine. Despite being essentially the same drug one has historically carried much longer sentencing for convictions. Why, is a good question.

Why is a great question.

I'm guessing Ronald Reagan. Black people feel like the War on Drugs was really the War on Black People. That feeling has been spoken of loudly in the black community since the 80s.

 

That's my guess.

 

This really is a big part of it. Statistics show that while blacks and whites use drugs at roughly the same rate, but blacks are 4 times more likely to be arrested and subsequently incarcerated for the crime. And the resulting felony effective disenfranchises the black community because felons lose the right to vote. Our country has the highest rates of incarceration and minorities, especially blacks, make up the majority of the prison population, despite making up about 13% of the population. And conservatives rather than addressing this, simply refer to it as "thug" behavior, or a "black problem", and continue to state that we need to get tougher on crime. When there are likely very few black families in the country that don't have a friend or family member in prison because of the disparity of enforcement and prosecution it's a big problem. And then when you see other conservative like Ted Nugent, who while he doesn't represent the majority of conservative views, still manages to get a stage, and makes remarks like calling Obama a "subhuman mongrel", and not one leader steps up and renounces him, it's pretty easy to how conservatives are not in favor among minority communities.

if Hank Aaron wants to come to my house and see my sheet, its on the bed and its a dark red color, I have never wore it.

 

I think these discussions are good, but in reality Hank Aaron has mislabeled a huge group of people. Why? No clue, only thing I get from some is what he lived through. If thats the case then he is a racist and doesnt like me since Im white and a republican and has never met me.

 

Not necessarily different than labeling all liberals as wanting handouts, or being lazy, or attempting to run the country in the ground. Whenever someone paints with a broad brush, a lot of undeserving people get lumped in and unfairly painted.

Not necessarily different than labeling all liberals as wanting handouts, or being lazy, or attempting to run the country in the ground. Whenever someone paints with a broad brush, a lot of undeserving people get lumped in and unfairly painted.

 

Excellent post. :thumb:

I understand that...my question is when and why did Republican become the party of racism in this country?

Why did Black Americans whom had predominately voted Republican suddenly switch to the Democratic Party?

 

I'm sorry, I thought you asked why the change from the Democrats in the 60's opposing desegregation to now the GOP being portrayed that way.

 

When George Wallace became a 3rd party candidate for President on the platform of Segregation in the 60's, then switched to the GOP for the early 70's I think you can see what you are looking for. Might add Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms for earlier illustrations.

 

1964 was the watershed year. You might look at articles showing the drastic change to the left in the Democratic party (particularly along racial lines) in that Convention.

I'm guessing Ronald Reagan. Black people feel like the War on Drugs was really the War on Black People. That feeling has been spoken of loudly in the black community since the 80s.

 

That's my guess.

 

Earlier. Much earlier. See my post.

Really?, non drug using black people were against ridding their communities of drugs?

 

"War on drugs" started under Nixon...and everybody hates Nixon...maybe that's where it started?

 

Reagan's biggest initiatives in the War on Drugs was battling Drugs on the other end and using the CIA and Military to interdict drugs at the source (Columbia and So America) not so much domestically.

 

I think 1968 and Nixon had a lot to do with it. In truth, I think it started even earlier than that. Jackie Robinson was a big-time Republican back in the 1950s and early 60s and worked on Nelson Rockefeller's campaign for president in 1964. His accounts of what he heard and saw at the 1964 Republican National Convention are amazing. He ended up supporting Lyndon Johnson in the general election.

This really is a big part of it. Statistics show that while blacks and whites use drugs at roughly the same rate, but blacks are 4 times more likely to be arrested and subsequently incarcerated for the crime. And the resulting felony effective disenfranchises the black community because felons lose the right to vote. Our country has the highest rates of incarceration and minorities, especially blacks, make up the majority of the prison population, despite making up about 13% of the population. And conservatives rather than addressing this, simply refer to it as "thug" behavior, or a "black problem", and continue to state that we need to get tougher on crime. When there are likely very few black families in the country that don't have a friend or family member in prison because of the disparity of enforcement and prosecution it's a big problem. And then when you see other conservative like Ted Nugent, who while he doesn't represent the majority of conservative views, still manages to get a stage, and makes remarks like calling Obama a "subhuman mongrel", and not one leader steps up and renounces him, it's pretty easy to how conservatives are not in favor among minority communities.

 

Sure you can say Republicans ignore that disparity between minority arrests and white people getting arrested just like I can say Democrats or Liberals such as yourself ignore other factors and want to jump right to the race card and say the system is setup to take down the black community.

 

First off comparing drug use in general with an arrest rate is an irrelevant comparison and I laugh when people use that as an argument. If we actually want to break this down and look at this as a socio-economic situation it all comes back to education and income. Race is a minor factor and is a result of the other socio-economic factors blacks fall into at a higher rate that lead to the higher arrest rate.

 

First let's just look in general how many White only urban gangs are their pedaling drugs on the streets in America out in the open for all to see? Do we really want to compare the HS student who pedals weed at HS parties to kids standing on the corner in urban area's and act like there isn't a difference on how they affect society.

 

I think my stance on the drug war in America has been pretty clear I think it is mostly a waste of time. But let's look at all other crimes such as violent crimes and compare those statistics on race basis . The fact a young black male is more likely to commit murder in a urban enviroment isn't racists it's a statistical fact. If you are more apt to commit a violent crime chances are you have less respect for the law and probably are a little more brazen when breaking other laws.

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't think black people get arrested more because they are black. I think poor, lower educated people get arrested more and it's sad in this country that a large portion of urban area's with black communities fit this bill. There are so many factors that tie into this poor public education, one parent families, gang activity leading youths down the wrong path, a distrust for authority etc... list goes on and on

This really is a big part of it. Statistics show that while blacks and whites use drugs at roughly the same rate, but blacks are 4 times more likely to be arrested and subsequently incarcerated for the crime. And the resulting felony effective disenfranchises the black community because felons lose the right to vote. Our country has the highest rates of incarceration and minorities, especially blacks, make up the majority of the prison population, despite making up about 13% of the population. And conservatives rather than addressing this, simply refer to it as "thug" behavior, or a "black problem", and continue to state that we need to get tougher on crime. When there are likely very few black families in the country that don't have a friend or family member in prison because of the disparity of enforcement and prosecution it's a big problem. And then when you see other conservative like Ted Nugent, who while he doesn't represent the majority of conservative views, still manages to get a stage, and makes remarks like calling Obama a "subhuman mongrel", and not one leader steps up and renounces him, it's pretty easy to how conservatives are not in favor among minority communities.

 

As a country we let $$ determine our legislation. We have so many convictions for drugs because we have so many prison cells to fill. We have so many prison cells to fill because it's good business for the local communities who have these prisons, thus, the state and federal governments have to come up with ways to keep the $$ flowing. How? More prisoners via more drug laws.

As a country we let $$ determine our legislation. We have so many convictions for drugs because we have so many prison cells to fill. We have so many prison cells to fill because it's good business for the local communities who have these prisons, thus, the state and federal governments have to come up with ways to keep the $$ flowing. How? More prisoners via more drug laws.

 

And the only color $$$$$$$$$$$ sees is green

I'm sorry, I thought you asked why the change from the Democrats in the 60's opposing desegregation to now the GOP being portrayed that way.

 

When George Wallace became a 3rd party candidate for President on the platform of Segregation in the 60's, then switched to the GOP for the early 70's I think you can see what you are looking for. Might add Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms for earlier illustrations.

 

1964 was the watershed year. You might look at articles showing the drastic change to the left in the Democratic party (particularly along racial lines) in that Convention.

For every Strom Thurmond, there is a Robert "Sheets" Bird on the Dem side. Again, it's all about perception, not reality. I would venture to guess that most Dems on this board know exactly who Thurmond and Helms are, but have never heard of Robert "Sheets" Bird, James William Fulbright, Margaret Sanger, and the such.