I mean it because when someone makes a statement like Hank Aaron's we should be getting to the bottom of why he feels that way instead of condemning his thoughts and feelings. And that should go both ways. Until our society decides to find out why people feel certain ways we'll never accomplish anything.

 

Thanks for clarifying. And, I'm fine getting behind that.

I think his message reinforces we have a long way to go. Especially if people have to delete their posts and change their minds about saying how they really feel.

 

Maybe we wouldn't if there weren't still people that think everything a white conservative says is racist and have no problem throwing that around.

It's all in the delivery. Don't be scared.

 

Easy for you to say being the one that throws the racist tag out at the drop of a hat.

You're about a week late on this one.

 

I know, but since no one mentioned it I thought I would.

 

Im glad we can get on here and discuss race and be more sensible than most. What Hank Aaron said made me mad, it made me mad because I never thought of him like that. I can be wrong.

 

Yes racism is alive and doing quite well in America, that is a fact. Its not limited to any color either.

 

I am a white republican, im not racist. As a matter of fact the reason I dont like Obama isnt that fact he is black, its the fact that when he first ran for President I believed him, I believed he was going to change everything, I thought he would be fair, honest, and trustworthy.

Come to find out he lied, he has made things worse in every account from Obamacare to the IRS and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and picking sides in race issues.

Yes I fell into the trap of believing a politician. But I had faith and hope in Obama and he failed me. That is why I dont like him. Not skin color.

I mean it because when someone makes a statement like Hank Aaron's we should be getting to the bottom of why he feels that way instead of condemning his thoughts and feelings. And that should go both ways. Until our society decides to find out why people feel certain ways we'll never accomplish anything.

 

I really like that thought process!

What I've never understood is why Republicans get grouped in with the KKK, Segregation and all of the other negative things that went on in this country. Democrats historically were the party of segregation and opposed civil rights being proposed by Republicans. I'm just wondering when that all changed and the GOP became to face of all that is wrong in race relations.

 

Almost all opposition to the Civil Rights bill of 1957 came from the Democrats...The bill passed the House with a vote of 285 to 126 (Republicans 167-19 for, Democrats 118-107 for) [4] and the Senate 72 to 18 (Republicans 43-0 for, Democrats 29-18 for)

 

In 1960 almost all votes against passage of the Civil Rights act of 1960 also came from the Democratic Party

In 1964 democrats filibustered for two weeks to attempt to stop passage of Civil Rights legislation

I know, but since no one mentioned it I thought I would.

 

Im glad we can get on here and discuss race and be more sensible than most. What Hank Aaron said made me mad, it made me mad because I never thought of him like that. I can be wrong.

 

Yes racism is alive and doing quite well in America, that is a fact. Its not limited to any color either.

 

I am a white republican, im not racist. As a matter of fact the reason I dont like Obama isnt that fact he is black, its the fact that when he first ran for President I believed him, I believed he was going to change everything, I thought he would be fair, honest, and trustworthy.

Come to find out he lied, he has made things worse in every account from Obamacare to the IRS and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and picking sides in race issues.

Yes I fell into the trap of believing a politician. But I had faith and hope in Obama and he failed me. That is why I dont like him. Not skin color.

 

So when the next Republican President doesn't accomplish everything he promises during his campaign, we can expect you to fill this forum and others with the same stuff you've plastered about Obama, correct? Or will it then be, "He's trying to fix Obama's mess."?

Wonder what he thinks about black republicans?

Just a side note since we're talking about good ol Hank:

 

Hank Aaron tied Babe Ruth's record of 714 HR's on 4-4-74 in Cincinnati off of pitcher Jack Billingham.

 

One day before that was the crazy 4-3-74 Tornado day.

 

Lots of downtown offices and businesses had shut down early because of the storms.

 

A great friend of mine left his office, and was searching for a place to grab a bite to eat. Although everything was closing or was closed, he was recognized by a waitress while looking in the window of a cafe that he frequented, and she unlocked the door for him waving him in out of the high winds.

 

There happened to be only one other customer inside having a meal. Luck would have it that it was Hank Aaron, who invited my friend to share his table with him.

 

Awesome memory for my friend, as he had the distinction of having by mere chance, a meal with Hank the day before he tied the record. He spoke highly of him, and said that he was quite the gentleman.

Easy for you to say being the one that throws the racist tag out at the drop of a hat.

 

I didn't start this thread but I know it when I see it.

 

I'll also add I have never called anyone on this board racist. Some people are just difficult to reason with.

Wonder what he thinks about black republicans?

 

He likely calls them Uncle Toms and talks about them worse than white republicans.

What I've never understood is why Republicans get grouped in with the KKK, Segregation and all of the other negative things that went on in this country. Democrats historically were the party of segregation and opposed civil rights being proposed by Republicans. I'm just wondering when that all changed and the GOP became to face of all that is wrong in race relations.

 

Almost all opposition to the Civil Rights bill of 1957 came from the Democrats...The bill passed the House with a vote of 285 to 126 (Republicans 167-19 for, Democrats 118-107 for) [4] and the Senate 72 to 18 (Republicans 43-0 for, Democrats 29-18 for)

 

In 1960 almost all votes against passage of the Civil Rights act of 1960 also came from the Democratic Party

In 1964 democrats filibustered for two weeks to attempt to stop passage of Civil Rights legislation

 

And many Republicans of the 1860s were radicals who ignored the Constitution at every chance they got to impose their vision of radical reconstruction on the conquered South and manipulated the system to try and toss Andrew Johnson out of office. These parties have switched around so many times it's almost hard to keep track of what they are or aren't in favor of across the years.

 

It's also notable that when the national Democratic party supported all that Civil Rights legislation in the 1950s and 1960s, the "Solid South" suddenly began turning Republican. Now, I'm not going to get bogged down on which party is full of racists because the answer is neither. I truly do believe the virulent racism -- a racism that is so much a part of our history -- is on the wane in America. However, systemic racism is still a problem and the smaller stereotypes that can lead to a more troubling racism are always going to be around.

 

But if we're wondering when this perception really changed around and the Republicans began to have race troubles, 1968 would be a good place to start.

 

You posted the results of the 1957 Civil Rights legislation; I find the 1964 bill even more interesting:

 

Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)

 

Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)

 

Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)

 

Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

 

Had nothing to do with which party you were in. It had to do with where you were from. In that tally above, "South" means exclusively the states that once seceded into the Confederacy. "North" simply means the other 39 states. Democrats and Republicans from the rest of the country supported the Civil Rights legislation almost universally.

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What I've never understood is why Republicans get grouped in with the KKK, Segregation and all of the other negative things that went on in this country. Democrats historically were the party of segregation and opposed civil rights being proposed by Republicans. I'm just wondering when that all changed and the GOP became to face of all that is wrong in race relations.

 

Almost all opposition to the Civil Rights bill of 1957 came from the Democrats...The bill passed the House with a vote of 285 to 126 (Republicans 167-19 for, Democrats 118-107 for) [4] and the Senate 72 to 18 (Republicans 43-0 for, Democrats 29-18 for)

 

In 1960 almost all votes against passage of the Civil Rights act of 1960 also came from the Democratic Party

In 1964 democrats filibustered for two weeks to attempt to stop passage of Civil Rights legislation

 

I'm not old enough to know the answer and my father is in Pennsylvania. If I can get an answer to this question I'll answer it. Something changed somewhere.

He likely calls them Uncle Toms and talks about them worse than white republicans.

That's what folks do when they can't make an intelligent argument.

That's what folks do when they can't make an intelligent argument.

 

Agreed.