My Only concern is that Everyone else need Very closely follow this Essential rule in a Similar manner if we are going to complain, don't you agree?

 

You have a way with words. :no:

My Only concern is that Everyone else need Very closely follow this Essential rule in a Similar manner if we are going to complain, don't you agree?

 

 

Many more examples that could be used to illustrate your point. Not sure that you picked the best one to base your argument - since they transferred all their sons and moved from Boone to Campbell Co. but I get it.

 

And for the record, if any player violates section 3 article c of the by laws I believe they should be ineligible. The Cordia situation is so blatant, it is almost as if they are daring the KHSAA to act.

Many more examples that could be used to illustrate your point. Not sure that you picked the best one to base your argument - since they transferred all their sons and moved from Boone to Campbell Co. but I get it.

 

And for the record, if any player violates section 3 article c of the by laws I believe they should be ineligible. The Cordia situation is so blatant, it is almost as if they are daring the KHSAA to act.

This is so wrong that Tackett is wasting time even thinking that this could go on in the 14th region or any other for that matter.....rule these guys ineligible so they can move on or go back to their respective schools and play.....to let these guys play at Cordia would be a total farce to basketball in Ky.

This is so wrong that Tackett is wasting time even thinking that this could go on in the 14th region or any other for that matter.....rule these guys ineligible so they can move on or go back to their respective schools and play.....to let these guys play at Cordia would be a total farce to basketball in Ky.

 

Wow that cannot be done without reviewing the applications and if the applications are in line then it is his or their job to approve it. BUT I will say be careful what you ask for.......!!!!!! A lot of programs may be affected.

Wow that cannot be done without reviewing the applications and if the applications are in line then it is his or their job to approve it. BUT I will say be careful what you ask for.......!!!!!! A lot of programs may be affected.

 

And that I would have no problem with. Although the topic of this thread has been about Cordia and what potentially may be occurring, I have little doubt that similar things go on at other schools that should be looked into as well.

Wow that cannot be done without reviewing the applications and if the applications are in line then it is his or their job to approve it. BUT I will say be careful what you ask for.......!!!!!! A lot of programs may be affected.

 

Simply becuase a lot of programs would be affected doen't make it right. It simply makes a sad statement as to the state of affairs here in the Commonwealth.

Yes you said it they SOLD there HOUSE and moved 30 miles away.

All of these explanations and excuses are just a bunch of baloney.

 

Section 3 - c of the KHSAA by laws state that waivers to eligibility are not valid if transfer to the new school is motivated in whole or part by a desire to participate in athletics at the new school.

 

Please argue the point that these boys are transferring to Cordia for any reason other than to play basketball.

How do you really prove that, though?

All they have to say is that they came for other reasons than athletics {although they may try to participate in athletics since they're going to be there anyway} and list a few, such as lower crime rate, better school system, slower pace lifestyle, etc.

This is so wrong that Tackett is wasting time even thinking that this could go on in the 14th region or any other for that matter.....rule these guys ineligible so they can move on or go back to their respective schools and play.....to let these guys play at Cordia would be a total farce to basketball in Ky.

 

What is any different from these kids transferring from other states or Canada than it would be for transfers moving in from neighboring counties? if anything it is not as bad. If a kid comes from Canada who in his neighborhood really cares unless he plays hockey. Basketball is not important at the high school level in Canada. But do you not think it didn't hurt MC Napier when Shannon Hoskins transferred to Clay County in the 1990s? Did it not affect Sheldon Clark when Justin Johnson came to Perry Central? What about East Ridge when Cam Justice moved to Knott Central. What about Bath County who just lost a kid to Perry Central? What about Bell County when they lost Whitaker to Hazard? Those are situations where transfers are moving from neighboring counties to another. Imo that's has a lot more negative impact than transfers moving in from far away places. At least the transfers are not depleteing programs from schools in your same area of the state.

And if they are as legally eligible as the above noted instances, then by all means allow them to play. Don't descriminate just because they are from outside the state boundaries. That's not fair to these young men.

What is any different from these kids transferring from other states or Canada than it would be for transfers moving in from neighboring counties? if anything it is not as bad. If a kid comes from Canada who in his neighborhood really cares unless he plays hockey. Basketball is not important at the high school level in Canada. But do you not think it didn't hurt MC Napier when Shannon Hoskins transferred to Clay County in the 1990s? Did it not affect Sheldon Clark when Justin Johnson came to Perry Central? What about East Ridge when Cam Justice moved to Knott Central. What about Bath County who just lost a kid to Perry Central? What about Bell County when they lost Whitaker to Hazard? Those are situations where transfers are moving from neighboring counties to another. Imo that's has a lot more negative impact than transfers moving in from far away places. At least the transfers are not depleteing programs from schools in your same area of the state.

And if they are as legally eligible as the above noted instances, then by all means allow them to play. Don't descriminate just because they are from outside the state boundaries. That's not fair to these young men.

 

Transfers happen ALL the time. The question is, were they above board legal transfers. If so, then the bolded part of your statement above has no basis. If they weren't "legal" transfers, then you have an argument.

 

As for kids coming from out of state or the country compared to someone living in the next county over, I would say it's MUCH easier for someone a few miles away to have a legal transfer than it is for some kid to come from out of nowhere by himself with no parents in sight as has been the case in some instances that has been talked about in this thread and others. With that said, families move in from all parts of the country as well and the transfers are above board.

Again, I've stated it other times in these threads, but my whole issue with it is that if we're talking about a kid who transfers to Paul Laurence Dunbar because of their science program, or transfers to Lafayette to play in their marching band because it's going to give them a better chance to make the marching band in college, or if they transfer to Brown in Louisville because they want to join the art program, we wouldn't think twice about these moves. We'd applaud them because they are opening doors to educational opportunities for the kids that might not be available otherwise.

 

I think rendering the kids ineligible just because they are talented basketball players is unfair. How ridiculous does it sound to say that the kid going to Dunbar, Lafayette, or Brown wouldn't be allowed to take science classes, play in the band, or participate in artistic activities?

 

What is Cordia missing out on? Not having a team that gets regularly stomped by the 14th Region powers who have traditionally gotten transfers themselves? Maybe taking a team's opportunity to go to Rupp and get pounded in a first round game unless they are lucky enough to draw a region that's traditionally been as bad as they have?

 

What is Cordia doing? Offering kids the opportunity to have doors opened in the educational realm that otherwise might not be available. For evidence of this, just look at Owootoah. His recruitment didn't really take off until he was granted eligibility and was evaluated against kids like Justice, Beverly, and Johnson. Whose to say that he would have the opportunity he has before him at Fresno State if he was never eligible to play in Kentucky?

 

Sorry, I just don't buy the "they could find a prep school in Canada" or people's basically saying "that's fine, just anywhere but here".

 

If the kids do end up being ineligible, even if hundreds of other students are as well, it will be a sad commentary about the state of affairs in Kentucky considering all the other transfers that have went on in the past and the fact that nothing was done about it until it was kids who were "foreign" or didn't conform to other's ideas of what a "Kentuckian" is before the rules started being looked at under the microscope.

Again, I've stated it other times in these threads, but my whole issue with it is that if we're talking about a kid who transfers to Paul Laurence Dunbar because of their science program, or transfers to Lafayette to play in their marching band because it's going to give them a better chance to make the marching band in college, or if they transfer to Brown in Louisville because they want to join the art program, we wouldn't think twice about these moves. We'd applaud them because they are opening doors to educational opportunities for the kids that might not be available otherwise.

 

I think rendering the kids ineligible just because they are talented basketball players is unfair. How ridiculous does it sound to say that the kid going to Dunbar, Lafayette, or Brown wouldn't be allowed to take science classes, play in the band, or participate in artistic activities?

 

What is Cordia missing out on? Not having a team that gets regularly stomped by the 14th Region powers who have traditionally gotten transfers themselves? Maybe taking a team's opportunity to go to Rupp and get pounded in a first round game unless they are lucky enough to draw a region that's traditionally been as bad as they have?

 

What is Cordia doing? Offering kids the opportunity to have doors opened in the educational realm that otherwise might not be available. For evidence of this, just look at Owootoah. His recruitment didn't really take off until he was granted eligibility and was evaluated against kids like Justice, Beverly, and Johnson. Whose to say that he would have the opportunity he has before him at Fresno State if he was never eligible to play in Kentucky?

 

Sorry, I just don't buy the "they could find a prep school in Canada" or people's basically saying "that's fine, just anywhere but here".

 

If the kids do end up being ineligible, even if hundreds of other students are as well, it will be a sad commentary about the state of affairs in Kentucky considering all the other transfers that have went on in the past and the fact that nothing was done about it until it was kids who were "foreign" or didn't conform to other's ideas of what a "Kentuckian" is before the rules started being looked at under the microscope.

 

That may or may not be the case and I don't know if that's good, bad or indifferent; however, it IS against the rules as they are currently written. And personally, as I have stated before and I know that you know Joker, I think without the sports transfers rules, you really open up a big ol' can of worms. But heck, it looks like it's been open anyway and not a lot being done about it, so everything might just be a moot point and you might get your wish if nothing other than simple abstention by the KHSAA.

That may or may not be the case and I don't know if that's good, bad or indifferent; however, it IS against the rules as they are currently written. And personally, as I have stated before and I know that you know Joker, I think without the sports transfers rules, you really open up a big ol' can of worms. But heck, it looks like it's been open anyway and not a lot being done about it, so everything might just be a moot point and you might get your wish if nothing other than simple abstention by the KHSAA.

 

Agreed. At the end of the day, I think we both just want to see what's best for everyone involved.

 

If this were a situation where the players weren't being educated, didn't have to go to class, or the school was just a diploma mill, etc., or one like the situation that Jaylen Beckham found himself in, then I'd feel differently. But as of right now, I don't think anything like that is going on.

 

If the players are being taken care of and are learning and getting the kind of educational foundation they would reasonably be expected to get at any other school, then I have no problem with the Cordia situation, or any other school's for that matter.

 

I usually find myself thinking about the kinds of situations where kids have to sit out because of a ruling or a school contesting their transfer feverishly and then see others where the complete opposite happens and think it's probably easiest to enforce and produces the highest possible utility through some type of hedonic calculus when only situations that "shock the conscious", so to speak, are punished.

And as other posters have noted, the fact that some schools have went through local courts and had injunctions granted means that the KHSAA's authority has been somewhat diminished.

 

 

The Kentucky Legislative Research Commission produced a 2009 report on issues involving court injunctions. It's a long read, but interesting. If you download the PDF version of the file, you can use the word search feature to find key terms in the report.

 

I don't know who is and isn't familiar with the case that led to policy changes, but since that ruling and the way in which the situation played out, there has definitely been a ripple effect. The effect of the changes that were implemented then are definitely still being felt today.

That may or may not be the case and I don't know if that's good, bad or indifferent; however, it IS against the rules as they are currently written. And personally, as I have stated before and I know that you know Joker, I think without the sports transfers rules, you really open up a big ol' can of worms. But heck, it looks like it's been open anyway and not a lot being done about it, so everything might just be a moot point and you might get your wish if nothing other than simple abstention by the KHSAA.

 

BigVMan23, here's a case where I feel it wasn't really fair to the kid to be ruled ineligible. The Robbins kid mentioned in this article was a 4.0 student with no type of disciplinary record. The first link below is a Lexington Herald Leader article that gives some background on the situation. He had to go through the court system to try and get his eligibility. He was ultimately denied. A recap of the case is listed in the second link below.

 

I know it isn't left up to me (and with good reason), but on the face of it, I don't think it would have been a big deal to have let him play at Boyle County. It obviously meant a lot to him, otherwise I doubt he and his family would have went through the time, effort, and expense of filing suit.

 

I just think that the more rules and stipulations that we add, the greater the chances of a kid like this being denied, while at the same time, you can look at a number of other cases and think, "they were eligible, but that kid wasn't???".

 

 

 

Boyle couple sues KHSAA to allow son to play senior season of basketball | High school basketball | Kentucky.com

 

ROBBINS v. KENTUCKY HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION | Leagle.com