All of these explanations and excuses are just a bunch of baloney.

 

Section 3 - c of the KHSAA by laws state that waivers to eligibility are not valid if transfer to the new school is motivated in whole or part by a desire to participate in athletics at the new school.

 

Please argue the point that these boys are transferring to Cordia for any reason other than to play basketball.

All of these explanations and excuses are just a bunch of baloney.

 

Section 3 - c of the KHSAA by laws state that waivers to eligibility are not valid if transfer to the new school is motivated in whole or part by a desire to participate in athletics at the new school.

 

Please argue the point that these boys are transferring to Cordia for any reason other than to play basketball.

 

If that's the case, please argue the point that the majority of good athletes who are doing the same but are still declared eligible at other schools are any different. "In whole or in part" is pretty broadly worded.

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If that's the case, please argue the point that the majority of good athletes who are doing the same but are still declared eligible at other schools are any different. "In whole or in part" is pretty broadly worded.

 

 

I knew that would be the approach you would take - Not to answer the question, but say everyone else does it. Great explanation.

The KHSAA has pretty much washed their hands of all of the transfer issues after being shot down in court over the repeated transfers, and in particular being overturned in the case of Justin Johnson to Perry County Central late last December, and two other Pike County court reversals. Published in the Herald-Leader (March 8th - Bill to stop 'rampant recruiting' in high schools faces long odds) was the KHSAA statement that they were not above the law and as case after case was being turned over by local judges they were calling on each school/school district to police themselves in the case of transfers. How is that working out???

 

A bill (House Bill 357) aimed at curbing "rampant recruiting" and giving the KHSAA the ultimate decision-making power cleared the House (55 to 31) ealier in March but died or was tabled in the Senate. The House Bill also included a requirement that all recruiting appeals be filed in Franklin County in order to avoid local prejuidices being applied by local judges.

 

The dis-service here is obviously to the majority of member schools who run straight programs and wish to compete on level playing fields, that are being taken advantage of by those who are "making a mockery" of recruiting rules and basically daring the KHSAA to do something about it, knowing full well that the KHSAA's hands are presently tied.

 

Bringing in basketball players from out of state and out of country for the purpose of gaining athletic advantage is certainly not within the intent of the KHSAA rules as they are now published.

I knew that would be the approach you would take - Not to answer the question, but say everyone else does it. Great explanation.

 

So if seeing everyone else do it and it be accepted within the rules is fine, but then playing by those rules yourself when you are a "have not" isn't?

 

Look at Perry Central, Knott Central, and Hazard. Those teams all have a kid whose a transfer that's a prominent player.

 

I'm just saying it's inconsistent to just pick on Cordia because they happen to be better.

 

People like BigVMan23 have been consistent in arguing that the rules should apply to all schools equally, and I understand that. If that's what you are saying, then I can see your point. It doesn't mean I necessarily agree with it wholeheartedly, but that I can see your reasoning and think you have a valid point.

All of these explanations and excuses are just a bunch of baloney.

 

Section 3 - c of the KHSAA by laws state that waivers to eligibility are not valid if transfer to the new school is motivated in whole or part by a desire to participate in athletics at the new school.

 

Please argue the point that these boys are transferring to Cordia for any reason other than to play basketball.

 

And if you are asking about any reason other than basketball, think about getting out of an urban school and going to a quiet place where you can get more individual attention from teachers and attend a school that doesn't have the problems of some inner-city schools.

 

Here's a link from Kentucky.com talking about Emmanuel Owootoah's neighborhoood being plagued by gang violence.

 

"A couple hundred students screaming you down doesn't really amount to much for a kid from Rexdale, an area of Toronto known for its gang violence and high crime rates.

 

Owootoah's mother was looking to get him away from the neighborhood, and she was put in touch with former Kentucky player and current Cordia coach Rodrick Rhodes."

 

You asked for any reason they'd come other than basketball. Looks like Owootoah had a good one. Prep schools and private schools can be expensive, and Cordia is an affordable place.

 

I think most would agree that getting out of that type of environment is acceptable, but people take a NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) approach to where the kid ends up. There are a lot of "well, there are places like that in Canada", but really, are there? Are Canadians more basketball crazed than I know?

 

I just think that instead of "why not Canada", the question can just as easily be "why not Cordia?" and "he's a foreigner... or that's too far" just aren't good reasons to deny him to me.

 

The above article also mentions that he didn't have any offers when he started playing at Cordia. You think the exposure he got there, where college coaches had a chance to evaluate him against better competition, didn't have something to do with him getting more attention, and later, offers?

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I had a huge post typed out but I chickened out lol.

 

Grow a pair. :lol2: J/K. I look at this way...if it's something I will say to even one person, then I have no problem sharing it with the BGP members, no matter what.

Cordia does have dorms that some of the students stay in. I know one kid who plays baseball and lives in the dorms throughout the week and is home on the weekends. I'm not sure if any basketball players are staying in those dorms. I'm sure they are though. The last 3 times I have been to the Hazard Walmart, I have seen 4 or 5 of the Cordia players there shopping for groceries which leads me to believe they are shopping for themselves and their dorm lives and not their parents homes.

The KHSAA has pretty much washed their hands of all of the transfer issues after being shot down in court over the repeated transfers, and in particular being overturned in the case of Justin Johnson to Perry County Central late last December, and two other Pike County court reversals. Published in the Herald-Leader (March 8th - Bill to stop 'rampant recruiting' in high schools faces long odds) was the KHSAA statement that they were not above the law and as case after case was being turned over by local judges they were calling on each school/school district to police themselves in the case of transfers. How is that working out???

 

A bill (House Bill 357) aimed at curbing "rampant recruiting" and giving the KHSAA the ultimate decision-making power cleared the House (55 to 31) ealier in March but died or was tabled in the Senate. The House Bill also included a requirement that all recruiting appeals be filed in Franklin County in order to avoid local prejuidices being applied by local judges.

 

The dis-service here is obviously to the majority of member schools who run straight programs and wish to compete on level playing fields, that are being taken advantage of by those who are "making a mockery" of recruiting rules and basically daring the KHSAA to do something about it, knowing full well that the KHSAA's hands are presently tied.

 

Bringing in basketball players from out of state and out of country for the purpose of gaining athletic advantage is certainly not within the intent of the KHSAA rules as they are now published.

 

 

 

Ok but my only point is who and what gives us the right to decide that is what is happening. We don't know neither are we seeking to find the answers we chose to speculate and state innuendos with out facts. I personally don't know Coach Rhodes or his staff but I surely don't think he or any other coach would do anything to put their livelihood or careers in jeopardy.

 

The states that are continuously named are state and cities high in crime New York, Mississippi and Texas. Again if I am recruiting I would surely pursue kids who are high caliber. Verbal Commit has Malik Hines listed as 2 star not on Rivals or ESPN listed but not ranked on scout.com. Cunningham is top in KY only not found on any of the Ranking services. And the same for the other kids non found on any Ranking services. Lack of knowledge is killing these forum with speculations. Seems as thought the appropriate action would be to hike down to the 14 region and meet the kid take to the Coach and see what brought them in you just might be surprised or told non of your business.:deadhorse:

Mustang, I had completely forgotten about that. You are correct. Lots of glad handing and good ole boy stuff happening at the local level when those local judges get involved and throw up injunctions or overturn rulings on cases that are blatant violations and essentially "neuters" the KHSAA.

 

Ok Crossover...obviously you can't or are not willing to look at this objectively and I guess that's because you are a fan of the program. Nothing wrong with being a fan, that's great, but when you refuse to acknowledge that there may be some improprieties, or at least the PRECEPTION of some impropriety going on, then I don't know what to say. I am completely neutral in this, I couldn't care less if Cordia lost every game or won the state tournament. I, and others, just want the situation looked into, that's all we want. And maybe it is and we just don't know it. I also find it ironic that more than once you have mentioned other area schools and seemed to insinuate they have done something "underhanded" the past couple of years with some transfers they have gotten. Yet NONE of them have gotten the # of transfers in the short amount of time that Cordia has. Do you not see the irony in that?

okay I will share my story:

 

My son is a senior who transferred to Cordia this year I didn't know Coach Rhodes and from the internet search they had an average team and I had zero familiarity with any of the schools they played. But what they did have was a community where I know one family that I meet many years ago and have kept communications. My son transferred from Mississippi to Texas last year to be around his father and change of environment. However, his father didn't want the responsibility or the adjustment to his life. I didn't want him in our home town because of the Challenges to keep him out of the gang and crime environment. Our city rank #2 in homicide and many being young teen blacks and over nothing. He was assaulted by a school friend (???) while leaving a gym after playing pick up BB. (He was hit in the head from behind.) He is a honor student who plays basketball and have played since 5 yrs old he is not high caliber but he is good. He is and always has been an honor and gifted student with academic awards in math and chemistry. He attended an inner city school that is know for gang, drugs and crime activities not to mention low test scores although his were advanced and proficient. But as a basketball player you have to go to JPS schools for competition. I didn't want to being him back here. Meanwhile he had built up anger due to his father's denial and his sisters illness. In talking with my friend about the diagnosis of my daughter (also a junior star basketball player) with leukemia and her chemotherapy requirements. She suggest I send him to her so that he could continue to pursue his goals and could concentrate on academics and basketball because their is nothing else to do. I sent him for the summer and he liked it for the most part.

 

In my house academics and sports are treated equally both are important my kids have been taught for day one you need academic and ______ (any other activity that could help you get a scholarship). Although It's not anyone's business but I am an educated black mother who works in academia at a University 1.5 hours from our home. I have 3 earned degrees and 2 professional certifications. I have worked hard to put my kids in a position to succeed in life; however life is not always as planned. I would love to have my son here but I much rather have him alive and in a position to obtain his goals. And I am ever grateful to my friend who allowed me the opportunity to be with my daughter an concentrate fully on her situation during this trying time.

 

All I am saying is be open-minded you don't know what these kids have or are going through. I don't know them but I can rest assure that they want better and we did what we were suppose to and just maybe the other did as well. I don't know and it's not my concern. I know nothing other than what other have said on these forums about other school. I assume they did not wrong the transfers were cleared. The end.

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okay I will share my story:

 

My son is a senior who transferred to Cordia this year I didn't know Coach Rhodes and from the internet search they had an average team and I had zero familiarity with any of the schools they played. But what they did have was a community where I know one family that I meet many years ago and have kept communications. My son transferred from Mississippi to Texas last year to be around his father. However, his father didn't want the responsibility or the adjustment to his life. I didn't want him in our home town because of the Challenges to keep him out of the gang and crime environment. Our city rank #2 in homicide and many being young teen blacks and over nothing. He was assaulted by a school friend (???) while leaving a gym after playing pick up BB. (He was hit in the head from behind.) He is a honor student who plays basketball and have played since 5 yrs old he is not high caliber but he is good. He is and always has been an honor and gifted student with academic awards in math and chemistry. He attended an inner city school that is know for gang, drugs and crime activities not to mention low test scores although his were advanced and proficient. But as a basketball player you have to go to JPS schools for competition. I didn't want to being him back here. Meanwhile he had built up anger due to his father's denial and his sisters illness. In talking with my friend about the diagnosis of my daughter (also a junior star basketball player) with leukemia and her chemotherapy requirements. She suggest I send him to her so that he could continue to pursue his goals and could concentrate on academics and basketball because their is nothing else to do. I sent him for the summer and he liked it for the most part.

 

In my house academics and sports are treated equally both are important my kids have been taught for day one you need academic and ______ (any other activity that could help you get a scholarship). Although It's not anyone's business but I am abeducated black mother who works in academia at a University 1.5 hours from our home. I have 3 earned degrees and 2 professional certifications. I have worked hard to put my kids in a position to succeed in life; however life is not always as planned. I would love to have my son here but I much rather have him alive and in a position to obtain his goals. And I am ever grateful to my friend who allowed me the opportunity to be with my daughter an concentrate fully on her situation.

 

Thanks for sharing...though please believe me it's not something I was trying to prompt you to do, I could just tell you were somehow close to the program, at least a big fan if nothing else, now I see it's even more than that.

 

Sounds like the important thing is your son is a smart young man, that's first and foremost. Hopefully that will continue at Cordia and I wish him nothing but the best of luck and I hope he is doing well there and is enjoying the change of scenery.

Thanks for sharing...though please believe me it's not something I was trying to prompt you to do, I could just tell you were somehow close to the program, at least a big fan if nothing else, now I see it's even more than that.

 

Sounds like the important thing is your son is a smart young man, that's first and foremost. Hopefully that will continue at Cordia and I wish him nothing but the best of luck and I hope he is doing well there and is enjoying the change of scenery.

 

 

You are welcome. He does like it and most importantly he is not here to witness the sometimes really hard days his best friend and sister have. He has a twin here who is stronger and the dad thing does not bother him but it does with the son at Cordia. He has really done the things to be successful in life and that's what I want for him and all of my kids. I am grateful to the community who has made him and the other players feel welcome. Again we don't know the thoughts concerns these kids who are enduring away from family and or friends. And when it's all said and done they are KIDS just KIDS forced by circumstances, desire, dreams or home life to grow up before time.

 

I am planning to bring Christmas to mine and the other Mississippi kids I can only imagine how hard it is. Ep. 1:11 HE WORKETH ALL THINGS AFTER HIS OWN WILL.......

 

Be Bless and God's will be done.

Thanks for sharing...though please believe me it's not something I was trying to prompt you to do, I could just tell you were somehow close to the program, at least a big fan if nothing else, now I see it's even more than that.

 

Sounds like the important thing is your son is a smart young man, that's first and foremost. Hopefully that will continue at Cordia and I wish him nothing but the best of luck and I hope he is doing well there and is enjoying the change of scenery.

 

 

Based on my knowledge, I don't know of anything that would make me think otherwise as far as the kind of education he will be receiving there if he wants it. Is it a Blue Ribbon School? No, and I'm not pretending that it is. But I still think it's a place where someone who wants a quality education and wants to succeed can do so.

 

I didn't want to pull the Owoohtoah article out at first, but I think between this and posters like the crossover, people hopefully have a better idea of things before they resort to the "why would anyone want to go there" or the "it's ONLY about basketball" arguments and the like.

 

Things like this are different when you put a name and kid's face with the stories that ended up with them being there.

All of these explanations and excuses are just a bunch of baloney.

 

Section 3 - c of the KHSAA by laws state that waivers to eligibility are not valid if transfer to the new school is motivated in whole or part by a desire to participate in athletics at the new school.

 

Please argue the point that these boys are transferring to Cordia for any reason other than to play basketball.

 

 

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