WOW my fingers may fall off while I type this because it is the position that has been espoused by several of schools in the more left leaning areas of Louisville. (that I don'r agree with at all)

 

But you can't make our students wear certain clothing. They need to be free to express themselves and their choice of clothing is an expression of self.

Where are the more left leaning areas of Louisville and which schools are the ones that you don'r (sic) agree with ? As for school uniforms if that is what you are referring to , they are a great idea and save parents money , and the students angst .

I'm not sure what you're saying. You agree with me or you disagree with me? I can't tell if your last line is legit or sarcastic.

I agree. I think unis are the way to go. What I was saying was that there were schools in left leaning areas of the city (Atherton which serves the Highlands area was a very visible opponent) that have fought any kind of dress code because they say it stifles a student's ability to express themselves. Sarcasm doesn't translate well to the board.

My friend's son tried to stand up to the class bully. This bully punched the boy twice before he hit him back once. The principal suspended both boys, because there is a zero tolerance policy for fights. The principal acknowledged that her son was only trying to defend himself, but rules are rules.

 

Was her son supposed to take the beating while he waited for teachers to stop him?

Talked to a longtime high school teacher recently. She said girls were bigger problem than boys. Her most commonly used phrase is "Zip it up," referring to the girls showing off their topmost assets. School is a place to learn, not to espouse right- or left-wing causes by advertising such on T-shirts.

 

No argument there.

My friend's son tried to stand up to the class bully. This bully punched the boy twice before he hit him back once. The principal suspended both boys, because there is a zero tolerance policy for fights. The principal acknowledged that her son was only trying to defend himself, but rules are rules.

 

Was her son supposed to take the beating while he waited for teachers to stop him?

 

According to the government educator: yes.

My friend's son tried to stand up to the class bully. This bully punched the boy twice before he hit him back once. The principal suspended both boys, because there is a zero tolerance policy for fights. The principal acknowledged that her son was only trying to defend himself, but rules are rules.

 

Was her son supposed to take the beating while he waited for teachers to stop him?

 

He stood up to the class bully instead of notifying teachers. Unfortunately, I think he deserved the suspension. That's the rule at our school, too.

As I have stated elsewhere on this board before, Zero Tolerance policies were born out of people in charge being too chicken:poop: to make a decision, specifically in school administrations.

First goal would be to implement a dress code. Khakis. Collared shirts. No logos on the shirt other than school logo. If parents insist girls be allowed to wear skirts then I'd have a rule about the length and it would be so strict they'd just throw on khakis.

 

Pretty simple. Effective. No distractions for other students .

 

School picking up the tab for free/reduced?

If so, where is that $ coming from. If not, what is the discipline when a kid comes in out of uniform and parent says they can't afford it and their kid is entitled to a free and appropriate public education by law.

 

What happens when some rich girl gets her collared shirt with an extra low neck line?

 

Or can they only buy stock uniforms through the school. Then the parent mutiny happens because the school has a monopoly on the clothes and is charging too much. Maybe even charging too much for those who can afford it so that the school can cover the cost of the free and reduced with the socialism mentality...

 

What happens when the shirt is 2 sizes too small?

 

When dealing with an entitled public, it is VERY seldom easy or simple.

My friend's son tried to stand up to the class bully. This bully punched the boy twice before he hit him back once. The principal suspended both boys, because there is a zero tolerance policy for fights. The principal acknowledged that her son was only trying to defend himself, but rules are rules.

 

Was her son supposed to take the beating while he waited for teachers to stop him?

Not if he ever wants the bullying to end. I have had this conversation with my kids. If they stand up to a bully, either because of their own treatment or on another student's behalf, and it results in a fight, then they know that they will accept whatever punishment the school hands them. It is a given that they will be in trouble at school, but they will not be in any hot water with me. Sometimes standing up for what is right is more important than keeping every single rule set by the higher ups. If that happened to my kid like you describe, he would accept the suspension because he knowingly broke the rule, and I would deal with the administration, with him, so that they understood why it happened.

 

He stood up to the class bully instead of notifying teachers. Unfortunately, I think he deserved the suspension. That's the rule at our school, too.

Agreed. Notifying the teacher is step 1, but unfortunately that rarely does anything to stop the bullying. Bullies will continue to bully and standing up to them is usually the only way to end it because it challenges the psychology of the bully and also the kid being bullied.

4 more examples of why my future children will never set foot in a public school.

School picking up the tab for free/reduced?

If so, where is that $ coming from. If not, what is the discipline when a kid comes in out of uniform and parent says they can't afford it and their kid is entitled to a free and appropriate public education by law.

 

What happens when some rich girl gets her collared shirt with an extra low neck line?

 

Or can they only buy stock uniforms through the school. Then the parent mutiny happens because the school has a monopoly on the clothes and is charging too much. Maybe even charging too much for those who can afford it so that the school can cover the cost of the free and reduced with the socialism mentality...

 

What happens when the shirt is 2 sizes too small?

 

When dealing with an entitled public, it is VERY seldom easy or simple.

 

 

Fair questions.

 

First, you enforce the rules even for rich kids. Send the girl home who violates the rules. Simple.

 

I'm not in the biz of public education now so I have to ask: Are there ANY rules regarding dress? No way a kid can wear anything they want to school, right? However, IF a child needs assistance then the school can help. If it helps the overall educational experience for all(ie less time jacking around with distractions) then it's an overall win and worth the few dollars it would take. A collared shrit and khakis from Wal-Mart cannot be much more than those same parents are spending today for clothes.

 

Without having looked I guarantee you schools are already doing this successfully. Heck, I know Conner used to when Mike Blevins was principal.

Where are the more left leaning areas of Louisville and which schools are the ones that you don'r (sic) agree with ? As for school uniforms if that is what you are referring to , they are a great idea and save parents money , and the students angst .

 

I went to a private HS but having a dress code was great. Didn't have to worry about what I was going to wear everyday in the morning and having all new gear every year.

School picking up the tab for free/reduced?

If so, where is that $ coming from. If not, what is the discipline when a kid comes in out of uniform and parent says they can't afford it and their kid is entitled to a free and appropriate public education by law.

 

What happens when some rich girl gets her collared shirt with an extra low neck line?

 

Or can they only buy stock uniforms through the school. Then the parent mutiny happens because the school has a monopoly on the clothes and is charging too much. Maybe even charging too much for those who can afford it so that the school can cover the cost of the free and reduced with the socialism mentality...

 

What happens when the shirt is 2 sizes too small?

 

When dealing with an entitled public, it is VERY seldom easy or simple.

 

Evansville Vanderburgh School Corp passed a dress code of uniforms a few years ago. Stores like Kohls sell the uniforms. As far as how they handle someone who claims they can't afford it, I'm not sure. rockmom may be able to answer that as her daughter in law teaches at one of the high schools.

Fair questions.

 

First, you enforce the rules even for rich kids. Send the girl home who violates the rules. Simple.

 

I'm not in the biz of public education now so I have to ask: Are there ANY rules regarding dress? No way a kid can wear anything they want to school, right? However, IF a child needs assistance then the school can help. If it helps the overall educational experience for all(ie less time jacking around with distractions) then it's an overall win and worth the few dollars it would take. A collared shrit and khakis from Wal-Mart cannot be much more than those same parents are spending today for clothes.

 

Without having looked I guarantee you schools are already doing this successfully. Heck, I know Conner used to when Mike Blevins was principal.

Schools do currently have basic dress codes but there's way too much subjectivity to it and to your original point they have to spend too much time policing it.

I was just trying to make the point that it isn't easy.

I really think a uniform like Clyde describes is the best option, but that is something a site base council has to pass and the parent representatives often side with the kids having choice on that issue.

My school has a dress code that is fairly strict... enforcement is a daily battle. Even with my own kid.

 

Not easy.