October 6, 201312 yr Speculation is that Chapman will be a starter if Price gets the job.[/quote How do Red fans feel about that? Probably a guy we are counting on to be in the rotation next year won't be in the organization. I'll guess Bailey
October 6, 201312 yr Probably a guy we are counting on to be in the rotation next year won't be in the organization. I'll guess Bailey If the Reds are looking to rebuild then Homer would be strong trade bait. Or Chapman replaces either Leake or Arroyo.
October 6, 201312 yr Cueto Latos Chapman Leake Cingrani lethal starting rotation Who pitches 1/2 the season in Cueto's spot?
October 6, 201312 yr Speculation is that Chapman will be a starter if Price gets the job.[/quote How do Red fans feel about that? Me, personally, I don't like it. I like a staff of Cueto, Latos, Bailey, Leake and Cingrani. And if you do move Chapman to the rotation, who are you having as the closer? (And, no, I'm not looking to delve into the whole "closers are overrated" argument". I'm just curious who it'd be.) Broxton? Marshall? Hoover? LeCure?
October 6, 201312 yr Me, personally, I don't like it. I like a staff of Cueto, Latos, Bailey, Leake and Cingrani. And if you do move Chapman to the rotation, who are you having as the closer? (And, no, I'm not looking to delve into the whole "closers are overrated" argument". I'm just curious who it'd be.) Broxton? Marshall? Hoover? LeCure? LeCure can be a strong closer. I'd put Chapman in the rotation until he shows me he's not a starter.
October 6, 201312 yr LeCure can be a strong closer. I'd put Chapman in the rotation until he shows me he's not a starter. Then what is your safety net if he fails? Does Cingrani or Leake start the year at AAA? If you end up trading Bailey, then you're sort of in a hole should it fail.
October 6, 201312 yr LeCure can be a strong closer. I'd put Chapman in the rotation until he shows me he's not a starter. LeCure is not anything close to a closer on a division winning type team. Hoover, maybe, but LeCure has middle inning stuff. Zero chance I'd roll him out there 50 times in the 9th...
October 6, 201312 yr LeCure is not anything close to a closer on a division winning type team. Hoover, maybe, but LeCure has middle inning stuff. Zero chance I'd roll him out there 50 times in the 9th... We disagree especially on "stuff."
October 6, 201312 yr Then what is your safety net if he fails? Does Cingrani or Leake start the year at AAA? If you end up trading Bailey, then you're sort of in a hole should it fail. If Chapman closes next year there set will would be a hole. There's going to be a hole either way, go with your best options.
October 6, 201312 yr If Chapman closes next year there set will would be a hole. There's going to be a hole either way, go with your best options. No, what Clyde proposed was basically a "trial" for Chapman as a starter. My question was, what happens if you decide that experiment fails, and you want to move him back to the pen? If Leake or Cingrani are at AAA, then a call-up solves the problem. But, if you trade Bailey in the off-season for say a new left-fielder...then Leake and Cingrani are already part of your 5 man staff. That's when you'll have the hole.
October 6, 201312 yr Now someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but here's where the stats vs. eyeball test comes into play. Because the way I see it, there are a lot of outside determining factors that can affect a players "range factor". It's putouts + assists divided by innings played, right? Well guess what, if you have a pitching staff that gets more ground ball outs than fly ball outs, that means your infielders end up with more chances to have an assist. For example, this year: Reds pitchers: 1473.2 IP - 1538 GO - 1448 FO - 1296 K's Pirates pitchers: 1470.2 IP - 1806 GO - 1196 FO - 1261 K's Not to mention that the Pirates had 134 double plays to the Reds 120...or the fact that the Pirates threw out 43 base stealers, to the Reds 35. Nor do the stats reveal how the pitchers attacked the hitters...ie. did they pitch right handed batters inside (where they're more likely to pull the ball...and hit it away from the 2nd baseman)? All of which can boil down to where Neil Walker had more opportunities, without really having to do a whole lot out of the normal. It DOESN'T, however, mean he has more range than Brandon Phillips. To me, the way this statistic is calculated, it just says you could put the same player, performing at the same level, on both teams, and they'll end up having a higher "range factor" when they're playing for the Pirates than for the Reds. Here's an excerpt from Bill James website where he predicts the "Fielding Bible" winners. It deals with more than just simple Range Factor: Second Basemen: Second base is a much tighter race than a season ago, when Darwin Barney ran away from the field saving an estimated 28 runs for the Cubs. Barney remains a factor in 2013, but Dustin Pedroia edges him in Runs Saved thanks to his exceptional range. Pedroia also converted 46 "difficult" groundball outs, which led the position. Brandon Phillips was third in that category with 34, but he struggled to turn double plays and had a good number of other misplays this season. Phillips’ reputation may still be enough to net him the Gold Glove in the National League. Favorite..................................................................Other Contenders Fielding Bible Award Dustin Pedroia (15)............... Mark Ellis (12) Darwin Barney (11) AL Gold Glove Dustin Pedroia (15)......................... Robinson Cano (6) NL Gold Glove Brandon Phillips (1)........................... Darwin Barney (11) Mark Ellis (12) 2013 Fielding Bible/Gold Glove Contenders
October 7, 201312 yr Still have Broxton/Marshall' date=' Hoover as well.[/quote'] This. Closer by situation.
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