October 4, 201312 yr I'll say this...Dusty may not have been the problem necessarily, but he wasn't the solution either. People talk about look where they were when he took over compared to where they are now, but you also gotta remember, the talent level has improved immensely since he came around. 2008 was his first season. That was Votto and Bruce's first season. Dunn and Griffey were still around. The talent on the pitching staff improved tremendously. Cueto, Bailey, Leake, Latos, Chapman, etc. were all brought in after his arrival.
October 4, 201312 yr Dustin Pedroia has 2 Gold Gloves himself to go along with a Rookie of the Year, League MVP, a Silver Slugger award and a World Series ring. He's a much better baserunner, one of the best fielders in the league, a great situational hitter and a great clubhouse leader. Better range is the only place Phillips is better. BP had more HR's and he drove in more, despite Pedroia having more attempts with runners on. To me that means he's clearly a better run producer. The argument that I was making is that Phillips is not an average player and Pedroia was only brought into the argument because it was mentioned that anyone with that many attempts could have 100 RBI's. I was simply illiustrating that Pedroia had more attempts and still produced fewer runs. The mere fact that we are comparing BP and a great player like Pedroia tells you that BP is not an average player. BP is not the best baseball player in the world but I for one will be really angry if they trade him just to get rid of him and not improve the lineup somehow. Production is production no matter if you like how the guy plays or not.
October 4, 201312 yr This is one of the funnier posts I've read on here. You obviously watch a different Reds team than the rest of us. Most average offensive player in baseball. Lots of guys could've hit behind Choo and Votto all year and knocked in 100 runs. A whole heck of a lot. He is an above average hitters and the best defensive 2B in the game. Does defense not matter anymore? BP's glove actually won us games, many games. Not to mention he was 9th in the NL with a .338 BA with RISP.
October 4, 201312 yr I'l ask again do you know what range factor is? Brandon Phillips range factor/9 was EXACTLY league average this season. He's 32, it isn't going to get better.
October 4, 201312 yr He is an above average hitters and the best defensive 2B in the game. Does defense not matter anymore? BP's glove actually won us games, many games. Not to mention he was 9th in the NL with a .338 BA with RISP. Statistical analysis says he's not. No one ever said he wasn't great defensively, however I'd venture his glove won them maybe 3 games this season. His base-running cost them between 2-3, so that's a wash.
October 4, 201312 yr BP had more HR's and he drove in more, despite Pedroia having more attempts with runners on. To me that means he's clearly a better run producer. The argument that I was making is that Phillips is not an average player and Pedroia was only brought into the argument because it was mentioned that anyone with that many attempts could have 100 RBI's. I was simply illiustrating that Pedroia had more attempts and still produced fewer runs. The mere fact that we are comparing BP and a great player like Pedroia tells you that BP is not an average player. BP is not the best baseball player in the world but I for one will be really angry if they trade him just to get rid of him and not improve the lineup somehow. Production is production no matter if you like how the guy plays or not. Actually if you measure runs produced then Pedroia out produced him 166-165--and Pedroia played hurt. He had a bad thumb all season that limited his power, and he still played 160 games and hit .300.
October 4, 201312 yr Brandon Phillips range factor/9 was EXACTLY league average this season. He's 32, it isn't going to get better. No it wasn't. It was 4.68 among 2nd basemen with more than 100 attempts he was 7th or 8th by my quick glance. That means at age 32 he was still better than 25 or so regulars around the league in the field.
October 4, 201312 yr Serious question....If the Reds could trade Phillips and Chapman for Stanton, and take the money saved and sign Omar Infante to play 2B, so they'd role out a lineup of: CF Hamilton 1B Votto LF Stanton RF Bruce 3B Frazier 2B Infante SS Cozart C Mesoraco You don't think that'd be a better lineup than what the put out there this year, or what they'd put out there by keeping Phillips? That lineup would hinge greatly on Hamilton getting on base. He'll steal 50-80 bases even if he hits .230. He'll be entertaining no matter what but if he can't get on base that lineup will struggle.
October 4, 201312 yr Actually if you measure runs produced then Pedroia out produced him 166-165--and Pedroia played hurt. He had a bad thumb all season that limited his power, and he still played 160 games and hit .300. What stat are you talking about, just curious because I can't find that anywhere?
October 4, 201312 yr No it wasn't. It was 4.68 among 2nd basemen with more than 100 attempts he was 7th or 8th by my quick glance. That means at age 32 he was still better than 25 or so regulars around the league in the field. According to this, 2013 MLB 2B Range Factor, he was 10th out of 20 qualified 2B....:idunno:
October 4, 201312 yr What stat are you talking about, just curious because I can't find that anywhere? I'm going to assume it's (RBI + Runs Scored - HRs).
October 4, 201312 yr Statistical analysis says he's not. No one ever said he wasn't great defensively, however I'd venture his glove won them maybe 3 games this season. His base-running cost them between 2-3, so that's a wash. Your guess would be wrong if you think Phillips glove only won 3 games. If you compare Phillips to other people at his position and still call him average well then this debate is dumb because you aren't looking at facts.
October 4, 201312 yr Your guess would be wrong if you think Phillips glove only won 3 games. If you compare Phillips to other people at his position and still call him average well then this debate is dumb because you aren't looking at facts. I'm looking at the 9th best fielding % amongst 20 qualified 2B. I'm looking at the 10th best Range Factor amongst 20 qualified 2B. I'm looking at the 11th best Defenisve WAR amongst 20 qualified 2B. The numbers are right there, you just choose to ignore them because they don't fit your narrative.
October 4, 201312 yr According to this, 2013 MLB 2B Range Factor, he was 11th out of 20 qualified 2B....:idunno: I got it right off the MLB's website. Sortable Player Stats | MLB.com: Stats
October 4, 201312 yr No it wasn't. It was 4.68 among 2nd basemen with more than 100 attempts he was 7th or 8th by my quick glance. That means at age 32 he was still better than 25 or so regulars around the league in the field. Go check out the range factor/9 innings leaders for 2013. Phillips was not in the top 10 second basemen. Year-by-Year Top-Tens Leaders & Records for Range Factor/9Inn as 2B - Baseball-Reference.com
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