I'm not sure you have any knowledge as to what you are talking about. Only 2 second basemen had 100 rbi season in all of baseball and one of them was Phillips pretty average.

 

I am of the belief that his RBI numbers are not respected fully by "baseball people" for two reasons: he batted behind the NL's #1 and #2 players in OBP, AND, he had 3 RBI in all of September when it really mattered.

I'm not sure you have any knowledge as to what you are talking about. Only 2 second basemen had 100 rbi season in all of baseball and one of them was Phillips pretty average.

 

Dude, I'm not the one that came up with it. I'm not making this stuff up. WSJ did an analysis of all baseball players and BP was ranked the most average offensive player in the game. As I said, the Reds could've batted Frazier, Ludwick, or even Meso right behind Choo and Votto this year and they'd have had 100 RBI or darn close to it.

Yes. When nearly 1 out of every 2 times you step to the plate you've got runners on base, driving in runs becomes a heck of a lot more likely.

 

You still have to drive the runner in, right?

You still have to drive the runner in, right?

 

Right, and further proof that it's a product of where they hit in the lineup is the fact that Bruce also had over 100 RBI. When you have twice as many opportunities as most guys in your position in a lineup, chances are high you'll knock in more runs.

Yes. When nearly 1 out of every 2 times you step to the plate you've got runners on base, driving in runs becomes a heck of a lot more likely.

 

Dustin Pedroia had 11 more AB's than Phillips with Runners on base. He had 19 fewer rbi's, he must be awful.

huh? not trying to rude, but this this is a ridiculous comment.

 

And exactly how is that? Because he decides to let a guy slide into his butt, rather than just turning around and making the tag like any other player would do? Because he decides to flip a ball between his legs or behind his back rather than strait to a guy, like any other player would do? Because everytime he fields a ground ball he has to stand up, pat his glove 10 times and then just fling the ball to Votto, instead of fielding the ball and throwing it. (That is until the Cards and Pirates come to town and are busting it down the line on him) Because he has to fling his glove behind his head everytime he catches a fly ball, instead of just catching the dang thing? Or maybe its because hes one of the worst baserunners in the league. If you need evidence of that, look at game 3 of the NLDS last year trying to go 1st to 3rd and getting thrown out by 10 ft. Next guy up gets a hit, wouldve scored Phillips. How many runs did we lose by again? You want another great example? Scott Rolen. One of the best defensive 3rd basemen to ever play the game. You dont praise him though, because he makes the routine plays, and doesnt have to do it with flare. I could go on and on about Phillips. Bottom line is that ya, hes a great infielder, but overall, hes mediocre.

Cincinnati fans do not deserve players like BP. SMH

Yes. When nearly 1 out of every 2 times you step to the plate you've got runners on base, driving in runs becomes a heck of a lot more likely.

 

Brando Phillips Career stats

Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards

2002 21 CLE AL 11 36 31 5 8 3 1 0 4 0 0 3 6 .258 .343 .419 .762 105 13 0 1 1 0 0 4

2003 22 CLE AL 112 393 370 36 77 18 1 6 33 4 5 14 77 .208 .242 .311 .553 48 115 12 3 5 1 0 *4

2004 23 CLE AL 6 24 22 1 4 2 0 0 1 0 2 2 5 .182 .250 .273 .523 40 6 1 0 0 0 0 /4

2005 24 CLE AL 6 9 9 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 .000 .000 .000 .000 -100 0 0 0 0 0 0 /4D6

2006 25 CIN NL 149 587 536 65 148 28 1 17 75 25 2 35 88 .276 .324 .427 .751 88 229 19 6 4 6 3 *4/6

2007 26 CIN NL 158 702 650 107 187 26 6 30 94 32 8 33 109 .288 .331 .485 .816 105 315 26 12 2 5 4 *4/6 MVP-22

2008 27 CIN NL 141 609 559 80 146 24 7 21 78 23 10 39 93 .261 .312 .442 .754 94 247 13 5 0 6 6 *4 GG

2009 28 CIN NL 153 644 584 78 161 30 5 20 98 25 9 44 75 .276 .329 .447 .776 103 261 21 6 2 8 3 *4

2010 29 CIN NL 155 687 626 100 172 33 5 18 59 16 12 46 83 .275 .332 .430 .762 102 269 14 8 6 1 1 *4 AS,GG

2011 30 CIN NL 150 675 610 94 183 38 2 18 82 14 9 44 85 .300 .353 .457 .810 118 279 15 9 5 6 3 *4 AS,GG,SS

2012 31 CIN NL 147 623 580 86 163 30 1 18 77 15 2 28 79 .281 .321 .429 .750 99 249 19 8 3 4 2 *4 MVP-13

2013 32 CIN NL 151 666 606 80 158 24 2 18 103 5 3 39 98 .261 .310 .396 .706 92 240 19 8 4 9 6 *4 AS

 

Seems like he's been close a couple of years. When Choo and Votto wasn't always on base.

Dustin Pedroia had 11 more AB's than Phillips with Runners on base. He had 19 fewer rbi's, he must be awful.

 

Dustin Pedroia is also a career .300 hitter with a better fielding percentage than Brandon Phillips.

Dustin Pedroia is also a career .300 hitter with a better fielding percentage than Brandon Phillips.

 

So he's a better fielder? Do you even want to get into range factors?

Dude, I'm not the one that came up with it. I'm not making this stuff up. WSJ did an analysis of all baseball players and BP was ranked the most average offensive player in the game. As I said, the Reds could've batted Frazier, Ludwick, or even Meso right behind Choo and Votto this year and they'd have had 100 RBI or darn close to it.

 

I'd like to read that article do you have a link to it by any chance?

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Truthbtold, so you don't go crazy trying to defend his on-field performance, I would say the main reasons they want to deal him are: a) financially; b) off the field. The quote I was given, "we realize the folly in signing that guy to that contract." If the owner (that you [meaning BP, not YOU] called a liar, FYI) doesn't like you, your time with that organization is going to be limited.

And exactly how is that? Because he decides to let a guy slide into his butt, rather than just turning around and making the tag like any other player would do? Because he decides to flip a ball between his legs or behind his back rather than strait to a guy, like any other player would do? Because everytime he fields a ground ball he has to stand up, pat his glove 10 times and then just fling the ball to Votto, instead of fielding the ball and throwing it. (That is until the Cards and Pirates come to town and are busting it down the line on him) Because he has to fling his glove behind his head everytime he catches a fly ball, instead of just catching the dang thing? Or maybe its because hes one of the worst baserunners in the league. If you need evidence of that, look at game 3 of the NLDS last year trying to go 1st to 3rd and getting thrown out by 10 ft. Next guy up gets a hit, wouldve scored Phillips. How many runs did we lose by again? You want another great example? Scott Rolen. One of the best defensive 3rd basemen to ever play the game. You dont praise him though, because he makes the routine plays, and doesnt have to do it with flare. I could go on and on about Phillips. Bottom line is that ya, hes a great infielder, but overall, hes mediocre.

 

Who cares? It's the way he plays the game!!! Like I said, just because you don't like the way he plays he arrogant. Nonsense!

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Truthbtold, so you don't go crazy trying to defend his on-field performance, I would say the main reasons they want to deal him are: a) financially; b) off the field. The quote I was given, "we realize the folly in signing that guy to that contract." If the owner (that you [meaning BP, not YOU] called a liar, FYI) doesn't like you, your time with that organization is going to be limited.

 

That's fine. You should tell the truth if you don't want to be called a liar.

Called out teammates contract? I wouldn't call a comment about how he felt about how he felt as calling out Joey Votto's contract. Doesn't hustle? How many times have you witnessed Phillips not hustling? I don't understand the taking plays off comment.

 

If you ask this question, you aren't watching Reds games. I am being serious when I answer your question - every night. Phillips hasn't run out a ground ball hard in his career. Any routine ground ball hit to him, he will play the ball as slowly as possible, smile at the guy running to first and then lob it to first just hard enough to get the guy out. That is "swag" in BP world. On the last out in the Reds game vs. Pittsburgh, it was a ground ball to second. Walker hustled in front of the ball, set himself to throw and fired the ball to first. In my world, that is swag.