Not divorce, it was a political issue but I cannot think of which it is.

I think the Church's stance on divorce was that it was OK. It was the remarriage after a divorce that was not so good.

High Profile people are held to a higher standard because their influence and actions have a much greater affect on the image of church and how they handle doctrine. I have no problem with what they did here. They can't have Nancy Pelosi int he media giving out false teachings of the church which she has done on multiple occasions.

Refresh my aging memory. How many high-profile bishops have been charged for obstructing justice in covering up sins of the flesh involving those who serve under them?

 

Sorry. This thread had gone on far too long without someone posing the obvious question. Might as well be me.

Refresh my aging memory. How many high-profile bishops have been charged for obstructing justice in covering up sins of the flesh involving those who serve under them?

 

Sorry. This thread had gone on far too long without someone posing the obvious question. Might as well be me.

 

So the church should not continue to function because of past sins. Tired argument. What happened in the past is sick and disgusting but has nothing to do with what we are discussing right now.

 

So my question to you is the same to Clyde. Becasue some were not punished, its means no one sould be?

Pope Francis warned that the Catholic Church's moral structure might "fall like a house of cards" if it doesn't balance its divisive rules about abortion, gays and contraception with the greater need to make the church truly a merciful, welcoming abode for all.

 

Six months into his papacy, Francis set out his vision for the church and his priorities as pope in a remarkably lengthy and self-critical interview with La Civilta Cattolica, an Italian Jesuit magazine. It was published simultaneously Thursday in Jesuit journals in 16 countries, including America magazine in the U.S. ...

 

Pope Francis: Church Cannot Be 'Obsessed' With Gays, Abortion Ban | Fox News Latino

 

Still can't see where the Pope said to ease up on Abortion.

I don't entirely differ from you on #1....although I would also make mention that Christians are called to steer their fellow man away from sin and towards repentance. Knowingly allowing people to sin against the Body & Blood of the Lord is not really my idea of putting forth your best effort to steer someone away from sin and towards repentance.

 

#2...well...I think that's where the Catholic differentiation of Eucharist comes in. We believe that the Eucharist consumed at communion is NOT an emblem, but rather the ACTUAL Body & Blood of Christ, as consecrated through transubstantiation in the mass. Thereby, our view is that it cannot be taken in the ways you mentioned. The term "communion", when used in the Catholic sense is different from your use in your second point.

 

On your first paragraph I agree with you, but I see a huge difference in a church saying, "Nancy, you are not permitted to take communion here" and CWB saying, "Nancy, before you partake of communion, I'd like to give you a word of caution." The church has overstepped its bounds when it refuses communion to someone.

 

On the second paragraph, I'm familiar with the idea of transubstantiation. I don't agree with that line of thinking, but I understand where you are coming from.

Still can't see where the Pope said to ease up on Abortion.

Your viewpoint is in the minority. The Pope said the church has become too obsessed with hot-button issues like abortion and needs to become more merciful. After last week's papal print interview, the Vatican's PR department has been working overtime to mitigate the "damage." Burke's attack on Pelosi is part of that follow-up strategy.

So the church should not continue to function because of past sins. Tired argument. What happened in the past is sick and disgusting but has nothing to do with what we are discussing right now.

 

So my question to you is the same to Clyde. Becasue some were not punished, its means no one sould be?

The cover-up is ongoing.

Every parish priest knows someone in their parish who is doing something in their lives (words and/or actions) that would cause the Church to say no communion. 99.99% of the priests ignore this.

 

So I would criticize the "big Church" for this stance due to inconsistency.

 

Agreed.

Pope Francis warned that the Catholic Church's moral structure might "fall like a house of cards" if it doesn't balance its divisive rules about abortion, gays and contraception with the greater need to make the church truly a merciful, welcoming abode for all.

 

Six months into his papacy, Francis set out his vision for the church and his priorities as pope in a remarkably lengthy and self-critical interview with La Civilta Cattolica, an Italian Jesuit magazine. It was published simultaneously Thursday in Jesuit journals in 16 countries, including America magazine in the U.S. ...

 

Pope Francis: Church Cannot Be 'Obsessed' With Gays, Abortion Ban | Fox News Latino

 

The media has GROSSLY taken that piece written by the Pope out of context. For one thing, the article you have cited only quotes SIX of the TWELVE-THOUSAND words penned by the pontiff verbatim.

 

I'd suggest reading these two articles if you don't understand how Pope Francis has been basically misquoted by essentially all of the media:

The media's mind-boggling failure to understand Pope Francis - The Week

 

The Christ-Centered Pope - Ethics & Public Policy Center

Refresh my aging memory. How many high-profile bishops have been charged for obstructing justice in covering up sins of the flesh involving those who serve under them?

 

Sorry. This thread had gone on far too long without someone posing the obvious question. Might as well be me.

 

Many were long dead before the cover-up was discovered. Others HAVE been removed from duties. As far as obstructing justice charges go...that's up to the legal system to take care of, and not the Vatican. If you want them charged, write your congressman.

 

The cover-up is ongoing.

 

....okay

On your first paragraph I agree with you, but I see a huge difference in a church saying, "Nancy, you are not permitted to take communion here" and CWB saying, "Nancy, before you partake of communion, I'd like to give you a word of caution." The church has overstepped its bounds when it refuses communion to someone.

 

On the second paragraph, I'm familiar with the idea of transubstantiation. I don't agree with that line of thinking, but I understand where you are coming from.

 

Well, the Catholic Church believes that receiving he Eucharist while in a state of mortal sin is itself a mortal sin.

 

They have specifically reviewed the situation involving Nancy Pelosi, who is openly supporting and fighting for abortion (murder) and thereby is committing a mortal sin. The idea is that they are refusing to allow someone her commit further mortal sin.

The media has GROSSLY taken that piece written by the Pope out of context. For one thing, the article you have cited only quotes SIX of the TWELVE-THOUSAND words penned by the pontiff verbatim.

 

I'd suggest reading these two articles if you don't understand how Pope Francis has been basically misquoted by essentially all of the media:

The media's mind-boggling failure to understand Pope Francis - The Week

 

The Christ-Centered Pope - Ethics & Public Policy Center

 

This much has always been true: most of the media has neither the time nor the inclination to truly understand even the most basic teachings of the Church; they're even further behind when it comes to trying to understand the day-to-day functioning of the Church.

The media has GROSSLY taken that piece written by the Pope out of context. For one thing, the article you have cited only quotes SIX of the TWELVE-THOUSAND words penned by the pontiff verbatim.

 

I'd suggest reading these two articles if you don't understand how Pope Francis has been basically misquoted by essentially all of the media:

The media's mind-boggling failure to understand Pope Francis - The Week

 

The Christ-Centered Pope - Ethics & Public Policy Center

"Blame the media!" "It's the media's fault!" So lame. Whenever you see someone like George Weigel play the "blame the media" card so soon, you know the church is in full damage control over its loose-canon pope. Pun intended.

"Blame the media!" "It's the media's fault!" So lame. Whenever you see someone like George Weigel play the "blame the media" card so soon, you know the church is in full damage control over its loose-canon pope. Pun intended.

 

There are way too many actual Catholics in the world who don't take the time to understand the Catholic Church...what makes you think the media is getting it right?

"Blame the media!" "It's the media's fault!" So lame. Whenever you see someone like George Weigel play the "blame the media" card so soon, you know the church is in full damage control over its loose-canon pope. Pun intended.

 

I'll take this post as admitting you did not read the entire piece written by the pope and will continue to use a minority of quotes to get to the point you want. If you think the Catholic church has changed its stance on the abortion issue or its importance you are 100% wrong. It is that simple. You are wrong. If you are not a practicing Catholic please don't try and tell me what my Church teaches.