1139 is when the celibacy rule was put on the books. This was done mainly so children of priests couldn't make claims on church property.

 

Okay....you're right. There was an issue with priests' children making claims to church property previous to the creation of the celibacy rule. So where did you come up with a scenario involving child rape in any way, though?

 

My grandfather had a justifiable claim to his father's property when he died, and the same with my father when my grandfather was gone...and I will have a claim to my own father's property some day as well. However, I don't see where (in accordance to your explanation of the church's celibacy rule) that would automatically mean there is a generations-old cover up of child rape in my family....

Far less absurd than the Vatican covering up child rape for centuries.

 

About as absurd as you continuing to realize the logic of your arguement about the Pelosi issue no longer holding any weight so you have to immediately change the topic to the priest scandal or something else not relevant to Pelosi being denied communion, wouldn't you agree?

1139 is when the celibacy rule was put on the books. This was done mainly so children of priests couldn't make claims on church property.

 

But that doesn't equate to covering up child abuse.

 

Celibacy does not cause someone to molest or abuse children.

Shouldn't Pelosi be able to appeal Burke's decision? Directly to the Pope? I don't think the Vatican wants that to happen. Then again, an appeal would be an acknowledgement that a right-winger like Burke actually has some control over Nancy's spiritual and political life, and that ain't going to happen.

 

What happens if Pelosi, Kerry et al. never get to take communion again? More time in purgatory before they shake hands with St. Peter?

 

While not a scholar of Catholic Canon Law, there is an appeal process in Canon Law. This appeal process can be for Catholic individuals or Catholic organizations (Catholic Schools, religous orders, etc.). If the Catholic person or organization does not agree with the decision from the local diocese tribunal, they can appeal to a higher tribunal with the tribunal body that Cardinal Burke leads being the equivalent to the Supreme Court. Now, can someone go above that directly to the pope? Not sure what Cannon Law says about that. Though, how does an appeal acknowledge that right-winger Burke has control over Pelosi's spiritual or political life?

Okay....you're right. There was an issue with priests' children making claims to church property previous to the creation of the celibacy rule. So where did you come up with a scenario involving child rape in any way, though?

 

My grandfather had a justifiable claim to his father's property when he died, and the same with my father when my grandfather was gone...and I will have a claim to my own father's property some day as well. However, I don't see where (in accordance to your explanation of the church's celibacy rule) that would automatically mean there is a generations-old cover up of child rape in my family....

Your family analogy is a bit of a stretch .... Going back to main theme: Do you think child rape is a recent phenomenon? Or do you think (as I do) that sexual urges are natural among adult males, whether in 1140 or 2013? Actually, I have more sympathy -- if that's the right word -- for the offending priests than I do for the bishops and Vatican officials who have covered up these transgressions for centuries.

I believe that women should not be jailed for having an abortion. I abhor it but do not think it's the government's place.

 

Should I receive communion?

Having not read all 5 pages of this thread I have to question this statement from page 1 ( forgive me if its already been covered) -- If setting standard rules for the general populace against OBVIOUS moral wrongs is not the govt's place then whose place is it ? Protecting innocents should be part of an organized moral society , right ? Turning our collective heads as a society should not be a good enough response -- The Ol' " as long as it doesnt affect me " excuse " isnt good enough in life and death matters .

and id you are pro choice no you should not receive communion from the catholic church. ( you can take it with protestants )

1139 is when the celibacy rule was put on the books. This was done mainly so children of priests couldn't make claims on church property.

 

Doesn't seem to be a problem for Eastern Rite Catholic Priests who often are married and I don't recall hearing ever of their offspring chasing after church property upon a priest's death.

 

For those who do not know, the lion share of Catholics are of the Latin (or Roman) Rite which does not allow priests to be married except for certain situations. Eastern Rite Catholics are from those who around 1156 AD split with the Roman Rite and then centuries later came back to the Catholic church. Their rite shares the same dogma and doctrine as the Roman Rite, their practices are different though (ie the priests are often married, their liturgies are much more similar to an Eastern Orthodox liturgy than a Roman Rite mass, etc.). Eastern Rite Catholics are primarily where Eastern Orthodox Christians are ie Eastern Europe, Middle East etc. I don't know of any Eastern Rite parishes in KY, there is one in Indianapolis and one in Chicago.

Celibacy does not cause someone to molest or abuse children.

i don't know where this precisely fits on the cause-effect line, but in many cases celibacy (lack of a sexual release) most certainly is a factor.

About as absurd as you continuing to realize the logic of your arguement about the Pelosi issue no longer holding any weight so you have to immediately change the topic to the priest scandal or something else not relevant to Pelosi being denied communion, wouldn't you agree?

It's natural to segue on these threads. You also are a smart person, so it shouldn't be that difficult to dual-task from time to time.

Something in that article that I was not aware of is that for a priest/bishop to refuse communion to someone, that issue at stake must manifest itself. In other words, it should be something that everyone in the parish (or possibly the community) is already aware of so when the refusal of communion is made, everyone is well aware of why. If for example, my priest found out that I am routinely cheating on my wife and he becomes aware of it but my parish as a whole does not, he is not to refuse me communion so as to reveal to everyone that I have done something serious, that is to be kept private. As I said, I was not aware of this but understand it.

Slick bit of logic to go after Pelosi but not the soccer moms on the pill.

also discussions like this a are major reason I enjoy BGP .. level headed discussion . thanks to all .

i don't know where this precisely fits on the cause-effect line, but in many cases celibacy (lack of a sexual release) most certainly is a factor.

 

Studies suggest it isn't.

Studies suggest it isn't.

Give me a break!

Give me a break!

 

I'd rather give you some knowledge but past experience tells me it would be useless. Do yourself a favor and actually check out some information before you post.