I'd like to ask some of those players what they actually paid to go there. LOL

Feel free.....you have breaking news?

A lot of programs in the state of KY could take 1400 boys and do what Trinity does. All you have to have is the right mix of boys with good coaching (which Trinity has) and you got yourself a state championship team .

Trinity is not unique....just big

 

The first part of this post makes a very good point and it is hard to argue with. I agree that there are some programs in Kentucky that could do what Trinity does if they had the same talent pool and numbers of boys. I don't think this is a hate statement, it is just simple fact. This point alone should not "threaten" or aggravate a Trinity fan, parent, alumni, supporter or whoever.

 

All that being said, Trinity is unique. I think it is best said like this, they have made themselves unique. They have built a luring program. They have made an insane commitment to football, they have put in the work, spent the money, done the marketing, hired the people and made plans to win on a higher level. In other words, they have intentionally, built a unique reputation and experience that lures numbers and talent. What other KY high school football program can offer an equivalent experience and exposure right now? Sure, other schools could do what Trinity does on the field, IF they had the numbers and talent, HOWEVER the ability to actually get more numbers and talent makes Trinity unique. Personally, I have no problem with this. Any school that wants to make that level of commitment and priority in order to create a "unique" lure to themselves, the choice is theirs. You can't knock Trinity for making themselves where good football players want to go.

^ What's the price to attend Mayfield, Beechwood, or Danville? What's the price at Trinity?

 

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Just to answer this question for the curious, at Beechwood the tuition for out of district students is around $3,500 if the student's resident school district will release the state money for the student. I am not sure but I think it doubles for the districts that don't release the money. At one time, Campbell County would not release state funds.

 

In addition, several of the elementary grades are closed to non-residents due to high enrollment and capacity restraints.

 

And one more point ... there are many more out of district students who don't play football than those that do play football. Yes, out of district students do come to the school for academics and other reasons besides football.

^ Same with us......many of which get their tuition paid for....but they don't play.....

 

If we have 140 boys playing football, and 1,400 in the school, that is only 10% of our population....that's a low number.

Let's put the size thing to rest once and for all.

 

In 1978 when I was in high school at Southern we were one of the largest schools in the state with a larger male enrollment then Trinity. There was serious talk of Trinity becoming a coed school because it's small enrollment couldn't support the overhead of the school. Southern was a middle of the road program while Trinity was competing for an winning championships.

 

Fast forward to now. Take a look at this LINK. Trinity's 2 year average male enrollment was 1300, #2 behind X. Now take a look at Paul Dunbar. Their 2 year average male enrollment was 1077, #6. That means they were bigger then all but 5 other schools in 6A yet they are arguably one of the worst 6A programs. If enrollment was such a huge advantage wouldn't they be better then they are just because of sheer numbers?

 

The point, large student body is just a small factor in the success that Trinity has enjoyed.

I'm sure they do benefit from those factors but I believe those are very small factors. They benefit from being a private school but I'm not sure being a Catholic school is as much a factor. It's just that many private schools are Catholic schools.

 

One thing is their success. Kids want to go and play for a program that competes for titles. Also many of these kids have family that played for T. You cannot over look family ties and tradition in a program. When your brother, uncle, dad, cousin, brother-in-law all have rings you better believe someone is going to hear crap till they get theirs. I honestly think its like that for the HHS people too.

 

Coaching is the other thing people sort of leave off. Yes people give some props to the HC but that is just a small part. I bet T has a larger coaching staff (frosh -varsity) then a number of colleges. I would guess varsity wise it's 10 or so and frosh would be pretty close to the same. I'm also pretty sure those frosh coaches help with the varsity in some manner. I have also read in threads about how T offers positions to players that may never see the field. Letting these players perform other duties which sound like more than managers but almost like HS GAs. If that is the case that is awesome.

 

 

 

I think it's bigger than you believe. My son played with or against most of his Trinity teammates from 3rd grade to 8th. They camped together at Trinity when they were 8th graders. They know each other, their strengths, their weaknesses, and to me, that is a huge intangible. It applies to all schools located in areas with great youth football programs. But, in the case of the CSAA, there is no "cutting". Where my son went to grade school, there were years where we fielded as many as 4 separate teams in a division. Some kids who began on "D" teams eventually were earning spots on the "A" teams, through coaching, discipline and development. You can't begin freshman year and learn what those kids on those teams did, and be effective immediately. Couple that with the CSAA structure that includes a Toy Bowl championship for 5&6th graders and one for 7th&8th graders, these kids grow up with the same frame of mind that they immerse themselves in when they get to Trinity...work hard and win championships. It may sound cliche, but I have lived it...albeit, through watching my son. But, it's definitely an advantage.

I don't discount the CSAA as it is a very good feeder program. Like you said it has the characteristics of all good feeder programs. The things you describe are the same things I experienced growing up. It's the same thing kids in Ft Thomas.

Let's put the size thing to rest once and for all.

 

In 1978 when I was in high school at Southern we were one of the largest schools in the state with a larger male enrollment then Trinity. There was serious talk of Trinity becoming a coed school because it's small enrollment couldn't support the overhead of the school. Southern was a middle of the road program while Trinity was competing for an winning championships.

 

Fast forward to now. Take a look at this LINK. Trinity's 2 year average male enrollment was 1300, #2 behind X. Now take a look at Paul Dunbar. Their 2 year average male enrollment was 1077, #6. That means they were bigger then all but 5 other schools in 6A yet they are arguably one of the worst 6A programs. If enrollment was such a huge advantage wouldn't they be better then they are just because of sheer numbers?

 

The point, large student body is just a small factor in the success that Trinity has enjoyed.

That has been my argument about size. And we can add Henderson County in that as well, at one point they were the largest school in the state, no State Championships. There are many programs around the state that are not "Big" programs but routinely beat larger schools.

 

Size is only one small part of the equation. Is Trinity successful? Heck yea they are, but it's not because of their male enrollment, it's because of their program. And, we will not hear people say it too much, but it's even more about other programs and what they do, or don't do. But, it takes a hard look in the mirror for a program to admit that.

Let's put the size thing to rest once and for all.

 

In 1978 when I was in high school at Southern we were one of the largest schools in the state with a larger male enrollment then Trinity. There was serious talk of Trinity becoming a coed school because it's small enrollment couldn't support the overhead of the school. Southern was a middle of the road program while Trinity was competing for an winning championships.

 

Fast forward to now. Take a look at this LINK. Trinity's 2 year average male enrollment was 1300, #2 behind X. Now take a look at Paul Dunbar. Their 2 year average male enrollment was 1077, #6. That means they were bigger then all but 5 other schools in 6A yet they are arguably one of the worst 6A programs. If enrollment was such a huge advantage wouldn't they be better then they are just because of sheer numbers?

 

The point, large student body is just a small factor in the success that Trinity has enjoyed.

 

That has been my argument about size. And we can add Henderson County in that as well, at one point they were the largest school in the state, no State Championships. There are many programs around the state that are not "Big" programs but routinely beat larger schools.

 

Size is only one small part of the equation. Is Trinity successful? Heck yea they are, but it's not because of their male enrollment, it's because of their program. And, we will not hear people say it too much, but it's even more about other programs and what they do, or don't do. But, it takes a hard look in the mirror for a program to admit that.

 

 

I wish I could 'love' these two posts. I have always felt that size doesn't matter like people think it does.

All of these teams are excellent.. on their own level. A double A baseball team may win the title each year... but they are not going to win the World Series. A Canadian football team can win multiple Grey Cups... but not on par with the NFL.

Im just sayin I would venture that some players don't go full freight.

 

I guess in theory you are correct. Since 40% of students qualify for financial aid and therefore "don't go full freight", you could extrapolate that to the population of the players and assume about 40% of them get some form of aid like the rest of the student body.

I guess in theory you are correct. Since 40% of students qualify for financial aid and therefore "don't go full freight", you could extrapolate that to the population of the players and assume about 40% of them get some form of aid like the rest of the student body.

 

I have no problem with that but the point is that other programs have done more with less than Trinity. I have zero problem with Trinity but I don't think they could do anymore than say Beechwood if they had just 40 boys to a class to choose from every year. But, they don't , I don't think their program is better , just bigger.

I wish I could 'love' these two posts. I have always felt that size doesn't matter like people think it does.

 

I agree to a certain point. I believe you can have very good football teams/programs at any size school.

 

I also believe that when you have two great football programs and all other things are close to equal, size will win. Beechwood, Mayfield, even Highlands' best ever will not beat Trinity or St. X's best ever.