I'd like to ask some of those players what they actually paid to go there. LOL

 

I won't drop the name directly, but have you ever heard of a little-known player from Kentucky named who plays for the Chicago Bears these days? He went to Male and wasn't so bad in college either. He wanted to attend Trinity and the reason he didn't was financial. His family was unable to get enough student aid to afford it. Believe me when I say that many a Shamrock would love to have seen what he and Brohm could have done at the high school level together. As it is there was never the opportunity until college. If he couldn't get a free ride to Trinity no one could.

 

Trinity has accomplished great things with their football program. I'm just sayin the small schools do the same thing but with less.

 

So you are basically saying that since 1968 Trinity has always hsd about 1400 boys and a constant enrollment disparity? Far be it from me to call your stance the epitome of foolishness. I do however find the substansiveness in the totality of your thesis to be somewhat embryonic.

So you are basically saying that since 1968 Trinity has always hsd about 1400 boys and a constant enrollment disparity? Far be it from me to call your stance the epitome of foolishness. I do however find the substansiveness in the totality of your thesis to be somewhat embryonic.

 

No. Don't you have some place to hide?

Trinity has accomplished great things with their football program. I'm just sayin the small schools do the same thing but with less.

 

And since football is (over) classified, aren't the small schools in question also competing with other schools doing so with less? I'm not sure why enrollment matters at all since all the schools compete with similar sized schools? If NCC was playing up and winning 5A every year, I'd be on board with the "doing the same thing with less arguement." Everyone plays schools mostly their size.

 

No hate, but everyone knows Trinity wins because they have a large pool of boys and most of the better football players in Louisville choose to go there. The more they win, the more the good players want to play there. No problem. Could Trinity win the titles in the smaller class's if they just had 175 total boys to choose from? Of course we will never know but to say that Trinity is any more of a "dynasty" than some of the other programs in the state that win state titles regularly is absurd. Trinity is like a great white shark swimming in Kentucky lake.

 

Again, not sure of the point of the thread. I can tell you this though, give Trinity whatever number of boys you want and if they keep their coaching staff, they win state at the a very high rate at whatever level.

 

Conversely, put their coach at any school in the state except one, and the program improves immediately. They have the best coach in the state. Look at the numbers since he's been there and the numbers prior to his arrival. Give credit where it's due.

And since football is (over) classified, aren't the small schools in question also competing with other schools doing so with less? I'm not sure why enrollment matters at all since all the schools compete with similar sized schools? If NCC was playing up and winning 5A every year, I'd be on board with the "doing the same thing with less arguement." Everyone plays schools mostly their size.

 

 

Again, not sure of the point of the thread. I can tell you this though, give Trinity whatever number of boys you want and if they keep their coaching staff, they win state at the a very high rate at whatever level.

 

Conversely, put their coach at any school in the state except one, and the program improves immediately. They have the best coach in the state. Look at the numbers since he's been there and the numbers prior to his arrival. Give credit where it's due.

 

From the start he's just been hating. Naming trinity as the top dynasty struck a nerve in his body. And @snake I can guarantee you, the small schools aren't doing the same thing. In all honesty, right now no one is.

From the start he's just been hating. Naming trinity as the top dynasty struck a nerve in his body. And @snake I can guarantee you, the small schools aren't doing the same thing. In all honesty, right now no one is.

 

You might want to think again on who has struck a nerve.

You might want to think again on who has struck a nerve.

 

You need help.

You need help.

 

 

 

I agree.... I wish some other's would chime in on my side.

So you are basically saying that since 1968 Trinity has always hsd about 1400 boys and a constant enrollment disparity? Far be it from me to call your stance the epitome of foolishness. I do however find the substansiveness in the totality of your thesis to be somewhat embryonic.

 

A lot of programs in the state of KY could take 1400 boys and do what Trinity does. All you have to have is the right mix of boys with good coaching (which Trinity has) and you got yourself a state championship team .

Trinity is not unique....just big

You might want to think again on who has struck a nerve.

 

UK#1FAN, is that you? Look snake, I get your point but you should go back and read your posts. You say you aren't hating but have shown a lot of emotion. It's understandable as we all are emotionally attached to our schools but lets keep things in perspective here. Before you defame the character and reputation of an outstanding program, maybe type what you want to say while your upset in an email to yourself. Read it tomorrow, and if you still think its a good idea to send, then do it. I wish your team luck this year and hopefully we'll see you in December in BG.

UK#1FAN, is that you? Look snake, I get your point but you should go back and read your posts. You say you aren't hating but have shown a lot of emotion. It's understandable as we all are emotionally attached to our schools but lets keep things in perspective here. Before you defame the character and reputation of an outstanding program, maybe type what you want to say while your upset in an email to yourself. Read it tomorrow, and if you still think its a good idea to send, then do it. I wish your team luck this year and hopefully we'll see you in December in BG.

 

Emotion isn't hate.

Trinity benefits from being a Catholic school and having an enrollment of players who have been playing football in the CSAA since 3rd grade.

Trinity benefits from being a Catholic school and having an enrollment of players who have been playing football in the CSAA since 3rd grade.

I'm sure they do benefit from those factors but I believe those are very small factors. They benefit from being a private school but I'm not sure being a Catholic school is as much a factor. It's just that many private schools are Catholic schools.

 

One thing is their success. Kids want to go and play for a program that competes for titles. Also many of these kids have family that played for T. You cannot over look family ties and tradition in a program. When your brother, uncle, dad, cousin, brother-in-law all have rings you better believe someone is going to hear crap till they get theirs. I honestly think its like that for the HHS people too.

 

Coaching is the other thing people sort of leave off. Yes people give some props to the HC but that is just a small part. I bet T has a larger coaching staff (frosh -varsity) then a number of colleges. I would guess varsity wise it's 10 or so and frosh would be pretty close to the same. I'm also pretty sure those frosh coaches help with the varsity in some manner. I have also read in threads about how T offers positions to players that may never see the field. Letting these players perform other duties which sound like more than managers but almost like HS GAs. If that is the case that is awesome.

I would like to support snakesnot on this, being a Beechwood fan, but I don't think I can. As Ram said, you have to define dynasty first before you can decide who wins by your definition. Even then, it is still subjective and unlikely you can come up with a clear winner. I think it is a never ending and unwinnable argument. Everyone is going to shape the definition and the argument to favor their team. But let's turn this a little and try to find out why these teams are considered dynasties by many.

 

A good way to start on this is compare the two most dominant teams in recent years - Trinity and Highlands. Look how they are different and look at what they have in common.

 

One is private and very large. The other is public and close to being the smallest school in their class.

 

One has a high tuition. The other has tuition for out of district schools that is much lower than a private school.

 

One draws students from a wide geographic area, an area bigger than most county schools. The other draws virtually all its athletes from their own 16,000 person city.

 

Those facts seem to shoot down some of the arguments about "advantages" these schools have.

 

What do they have in common? - winning tradition that out of district stars want to be a part of, great academics, great coaching staffs, excellent youth football feeder systems, a tremendous amount of community support.

 

Mayfield, Beechwood, Danville and other "dynasties" may be different than others in size, demographics and community setting, but that list of commonalities above fits them.

 

Is one dynasty better than others? I have no idea. Define it how you want and come to your own conclusion. You want to build a dynasty? Look at the list of common items.

 

A lot of programs in the state of KY could take 1400 boys and do what Trinity does. All you have to have is the right mix of boys with good coaching (which Trinity has) and you got yourself a state championship team .

Trinity is not unique....just big

 

Trinity has only been at the current size approximately the last 13 or so years. For 12 of our 22 titles we were the same size or smaller often times than our opponents. We weren't even one of the big dogs in Louisville until the mid to late 70s let alone the state.