Isn't that comparing apples and oranges and being too specific? I'd imagine that the majority of point guards in the state would be horrible offensive linemen.

 

You're right! BUT you're saying the PG wouldn't be a good linemen. You're not saying he couldn't be a good football player. Pp92 is saying the football player (in this case he uses a lineman as an example) wouldn't be a good bball player, not that he wouldn't a good PG. the pg may be a great qb, wr, rb, db. What would a lineman do on a competitive basketball team.

Most basketball players don't like contact that's why they don't play. I remember in middle school we had some bball kids come out and play, they lasted two days. We had only a handful of kids play both in my four years at high school. You could tell from watching which kids played football when you watched our team. We had a 5-10 center play like he was 6-4 because he would man-handle people underneath because he loved contact, the guys he was playing against didn't want to bump with him.

 

What does contact have to do with athleticism? I've seen plenty of guys that played football because they liked contact, but that didn't make them great athletes!

You're right! BUT you're saying the PG wouldn't be a good linemen. You're not saying he couldn't be a good football player. Pp92 is saying the football player (in this case he uses a lineman as an example) wouldn't be a good bball player, not that he wouldn't a good PG. the pg may be a great qb, wr, rb, db. What would a lineman do on a competitive basketball team.

 

Is it correct to assume that a linemen cannot/would not be a good basketball player? Happens all the time I would assume. If we're talking about an overweight, sloppy linemen then maybe. But a linemen at a good program is probably a pretty decent athlete for their size.

To go a step further in the football/basketball argument, I will use two examples that come easily right to the top of my head. Tony Gonzalas and Antonio Gates. Both played college basketball and were decent players. However, neither were getting much of a look by the NBA...Gates I know was getting no look at all, Tony nothing serious that I remember (been a while) again if any at all. And what did they both do? They both go on the be hall of fame football players. And heck, Gates didnt even play college football! He went from the basketball court to starting TE in the NFL without playing in college. I know thats anecdotal evidence, but it sure makes a good argument for basketball in this debate.

To go a step further in the football/basketball argument, I will use two examples that come easily right to the top of my head. Tony Gonzalas and Antonio Gates. Both played college basketball and were decent players. However, neither were getting much of a look by the NBA...Gates I know was getting no look at all, Tony nothing serious that I remember (been a while) again if any at all. And what did they both do? They both go on the be hall of fame football players. And heck, Gates didnt even play college football! He went from the basketball court to starting TE in the NFL without playing in college. I know thats anecdotal evidence, but it sure makes a good argument for basketball in this debate.

Tony Gonzalez was an All-American TE in college. He did not just play basketball and one day decided to play football. Gates was a highly sought after TE coming out of HS, but just played basketball in college. He was recruited by Nick Saban at Michigan State and was going to play both sports with the Spartans.

What does contact have to do with athleticism? I've seen plenty of guys that played football because they liked contact, but that didn't make them great athletes!

 

I think being able to physically dominate others, especially when they are bigger than you, takes athleticism.

Tony Gonzalez was an All-American TE in college. He did not just play basketball and one day decided to play football. Gates was a highly sought after TE coming out of HS, but just played basketball in college. He was recruited by Nick Saban at Michigan State and was going to play both sports with the Spartans.

 

But nothing you state takes away from my point. I never said Gonzalez wasn't a great college football player, I know he was and thats not the point I was making. Neither were NBA or serious NBA prospects, but both are hall of fame football players. Two hall of fame football players who both played college basketball but were not considered serious NBA prospects, and Gates wasn't considered a prospect at all in the NBA. I think that helps prove how tough it actually is to play at the highest level of basketball.

 

Another example...Julius Peppers. Contribitor on a good UNC team...all pro NFL player.

 

Take a dozen of the best NBA players/athletes, and I think they have a much better shot at making an NFL roster than a dozen NFL's best would to make an NBA roster. My opinion anyway.

In basketball and football, if you are of an extreme size, you have a place in the sport. In baseball, there's no size that can literally make you dominant in any one position.

 

I have to agree thought with Swampy, hockey may top them all.

I don't think you can ignore hockey either. Hockey players have to be mobile, skilled and conditioned but also need to be able to be hit, and be hit hard. Basketball = contact. Hockey = high contact. Grated, it's not as popular as the other three, but that doesn't change the fact it's a demanding sport.

 

You may be onto something here. My only question - how long does a typical hockey shift last? I honestly don't know.

To go a step further in the football/basketball argument, I will use two examples that come easily right to the top of my head. Tony Gonzalas and Antonio Gates. Both played college basketball and were decent players. However, neither were getting much of a look by the NBA...Gates I know was getting no look at all, Tony nothing serious that I remember (been a while) again if any at all. And what did they both do? They both go on the be hall of fame football players. And heck, Gates didnt even play college football! He went from the basketball court to starting TE in the NFL without playing in college. I know thats anecdotal evidence, but it sure makes a good argument for basketball in this debate.

 

But nothing you state takes away from my point. I never said Gonzalez wasn't a great college football player, I know he was and thats not the point I was making. Neither were NBA or serious NBA prospects, but both are hall of fame football players. Two hall of fame football players who both played college basketball but were not considered serious NBA prospects, and Gates wasn't considered a prospect at all in the NBA. I think that helps prove how tough it actually is to play at the highest level of basketball.

 

Another example...Julius Peppers. Contribitor on a good UNC team...all pro NFL player.

 

Take a dozen of the best NBA players/athletes, and I think they have a much better shot at making an NFL roster than a dozen NFL's best would to make an NBA roster. My opinion anyway.

 

Is this an argument in favor of basketball or football? I see those three as arguments in favor of football as the sport with the best athletes. The thing that I say separates football is this. A slow "athlete" who may not be real strong can play basketball or baseball if they have skill. That "athlete" will not be able to play football.

Basketball is great until add coaches and refs, then it can get not so much fun pretty quickly.

To go a step further in the football/basketball argument, I will use two examples that come easily right to the top of my head. Tony Gonzalas and Antonio Gates. Both played college basketball and were decent players. However, neither were getting much of a look by the NBA...Gates I know was getting no look at all, Tony nothing serious that I remember (been a while) again if any at all. And what did they both do? They both go on the be hall of fame football players. And heck, Gates didnt even play college football! He went from the basketball court to starting TE in the NFL without playing in college. I know thats anecdotal evidence, but it sure makes a good argument for basketball in this debate.

 

But then to combat that discussion-arguably the greatest hoops player ever Michael Jordan couldn't hit a curveball and was flushed out of baseball.....all sports are great, and take different types and talents.

I don't think you can ignore hockey either. Hockey players have to be mobile, skilled and conditioned but also need to be able to be hit, and be hit hard. Basketball = contact. Hockey = high contact. Grated, it's not as popular as the other three, but that doesn't change the fact it's a demanding sport.

Hockey is a good one, but I'd also have to throw in Soccer.

 

Talk about being athletic and fit, last I checked I haven't seen some overweight guy playing soccer on TV, I have in Baseball, Football and Basketball. So if we are talking most athletically fit I'd say Soccer

Is this an argument in favor of basketball or football? I see those three as arguments in favor of football as the sport with the best athletes. The thing that I say separates football is this. A slow "athlete" who may not be real strong can play basketball or baseball if they have skill. That "athlete" will not be able to play football.

 

 

??? How do you see what I said as a statement FOR football in this debate? My examples show just the opposite...great NFL players that though played college basketball were never considered NBA or serious prospects. In other words, didn't excell at basketball, but did at football. They needed MORE than they had to play in the NBA, but what they had was good enough to more than excel in the NFL. I think that shows athleticly/skill wise which is tougher, at least in those examples.

Hockey is a good one, but I'd also have to throw in Soccer.

 

Talk about being athletic and fit, last I checked I haven't seen some overweight guy playing soccer on TV, I have in Baseball, Football and Basketball. So if we are talking most athletically fit I'd say Soccer

 

Hockey might can join the debate, but I would still say it comes behind basketball. Soccer? Not even close. Not saying it isn't a tough sport and takes certian skills...but no where close to basketball in this discussion.