It's really pretty simple. MLB allowed it and they have to live with their consequences. Regardless of what anyone thinks the MLB benefited from these guys juicing and did nothing about it until it became blatantly obvious that things were getting out of hand.

 

While the HOF is not necessarily affiliated with MLB. You can guarantee they didn't shy away from using players bats, balls, uniforms...etc after they shattered homerun records. If they didn't notice why it was happening but everyone else did, I have even less faith in the HOF than before.

 

MLB and HOF both screwed up. Own it. Juiced up hitters, fielders and pitchers make for a juiced up game.

I agree with you 110% with everything you said.

MLB allowed it to happen, the HOF took advantage of it by displaying bats, balls etc. from the era and these same players they won't enshrine...as of yet anyway.

 

The shame of it is I have always held a higher respect for the Baseball Hall of Fame than I have for the Football Hall of Fame which I think is a complete joke. At least the Baseball Hall of Fame mainly went off of individual player accomplishments unlike the Pro Football hall of fame which goes off of popularity more than anything else including individual stats. There are more deserving players left out of the Pro Football Hall of Fame simply because they didn't A. live in a media market or B. didn't win a Super bowl. While less deserving players are enshrined simply because of the city they played in.

The shame of it is I have always held a higher respect for the Baseball Hall of Fame than I have for the Football Hall of Fame which I think is a complete joke. At least the Baseball Hall of Fame mainly went off of individual player accomplishments unlike the Pro Football hall of fame which goes off of popularity more than anything else including individual stats. There are more deserving players left out of the Pro Football Hall of Fame simply because they didn't A. live in a media market or B. didn't win a Super bowl. While less deserving players are enshrined simply because of the city they played in.

 

If Craig Biggio had 3,060 hits wearing Yankee pinstripes, he'd be preparing his Cooperstown speech right now.

If Craig Biggio had 3,060 hits wearing Yankee pinstripes, he'd be preparing his Cooperstown speech right now.

 

Bingo!!!!!!

Yes he would and that is the flaw of the voting process. Unless your team has won multiple World Series or you play in a media mecca like New York of LA then you already have a couple strikes against you.

 

It's flawed because as you said if he was a Yankee his entire career he'd be in.

If Craig Biggio had 3,060 hits wearing Yankee pinstripes, he'd be preparing his Cooperstown speech right now.

 

And probably 5 WS titles to boot

That isn't entirely true. At least nothing I have ever read. I've never read anything that says you are automatically put into the Hall of Fame if you have 3,000 hits.

 

Now what the media and writers etc. do have are stats they use as measuring sticks and 3,000 hits, 300 wins for a pitcher etc. are those milestones they look at, but nothing says if someone reaches one of those goals they are automatically enshrined.

 

You are correct though, the steroid era did lessen those accomplishments which is a shame.

 

It was the final of baseball's unwritten rules. Prior to Don Sutton, no player who had reached those milestones had failed to make it on the first ballot.

I was surprised Schilling did not receive more consideration. I would put him higher than anyone in front of him.

It was the final of baseball's unwritten rules. Prior to Don Sutton, no player who had reached those milestones had failed to make it on the first ballot.

 

I believe Biggio is the first player with 3,000 hits to not be a first ballot Hall of Famer (excluding Rose and Palmeiro).

Maybe, but the Hall of Fame has 3 statistics that used to merit automatic election. 3,000 hits/500 home runs/300 wins. Apparently 2 of the 3 are not what they used to be and a lot of it is b/c of how the steroid era is perceived.

 

And the other may never occur again.

Bug Selig and the Writers have no business running baseball and voting. They need to let baseball PLAYERS vote for the Hall of Fame. I agree with who they kept out like Bonds and Clemons but to not elect anyone is as much of a travesty and Selig continuing to pound Rose. Cut a deal with Rose that will insure he can't have a place in baseball but be ELIGIBLE for the Hall of Fame then turn the voting over to the Players or Retired Players who actually played the game. On years a player doesn't get 75% or more I think the top votegetter should be enshrined.

No one gets in...Biggio comes up 39 votes short with 68%.

 

And it's going to get even harder for him next year. Stupid.

Can PEDs be obtained legally? Where do I sign up? :lol:

 

Every single football player looks like that but no one ever cares about them for some reason.

Pete Rose says he would have had 5,000 hits with steroids. :lol:

Pete Rose says he would have had 5' date='000 hits with steroids. :lol:[/quote']

 

I'll take that bet.

Pete Rose says he would have had 5,000 hits with steroids. :lol:

 

I'll take that bet.

 

He probably could have played till 50 on steroids.

He probably could have played till 50 on steroids.

 

In fairness, he is one of the few old timey's who hasn't come down on the players for steroids. Maybe it's b/c of his son's problem w/ them or whatever, but he has never been hypercritical.